I do think this shows what turning them up does though. Truck I just sent back to the company was an 07 with 518,000 miles one, before had 586,000 miles both where 465hp Volvo engines and neither one was even close to needing overhauled. in 45,000 mile oil change intervals they would burn less then a gallon of oil (out of 12) actually was still within the operating range on the dipstick. HyVee food stores runs their trucks for well over a million miles and I know they have atleast 30 over 1.5 mill and rarely if ever overhaul them (they are now running them set at 430hp) I can show you one of the local grain haulers that has bought a couple of their trucks and has them over 2 million and never overhauled either of them.

 

yeah too bad we dont have em in our little diesels.

 

Its a fair point - but comparing 1980's engines that have to pull 180,000 lbs in 110F heat in probably the dustiest environment in the world to engines made 4 years ago that I am guessing only see highway use pulling 80,000lbs isn't really apples to apples - although I am sure that turning them up doesn't help the situation either.

I am guessing if those engines ever even saw bulldust that their rebuild schedule might change a little

Sorry for the poor quality photo (scanned), but this gives you an idea of one of our rigs. Even with twin stage air filters, not too good for your rebuild schedule.

 

It would be handy with the gas engines too - you could run quite a bit more compression (or boost).

 

"For frequent towing, diesels make the most sense," said GM executive director of diesel engineering, Charlie Freese. "Diesel fuel efficiency increases under load [compared to gas engines]. When you're using a diesel engine's full utility towing, it gets 40 to 70 percent better fuel economy (than a gas engine), easily overcoming any price difference (at the pump). If you constantly tow big loads, which is what most diesel buyers do, over 40,000 miles a loaded diesel engine will pay back $7,000 versus a comparable gas engine, assuming 8 mpg with the gas engine and a 50 percent gain in fuel economy for the diesel engine."

 

Tell us all something we don't already know.

When diesel was $4.30 here, and $4.00 for 87 octane gas, the 50% improvement with an 8mpg gas engine, would equal out to $5,667 in savings over 40,000 miles. Prices are now lower, and I can't go doing the calculations because I don't have my local diesel prices handy.

Then, of course, you have to add in what the loan for the extra $7000 costs in interest, higher maintenance costs, etc.

And the fact - FACT - that the diesel is MORE likely to leave me stranded inside that 40,000 miles. (I know, that's a hot topic, and likely to get me flamed - oh well)

 

No bon fire brother. I wouldn't say that its a fact. Theres a lot of psds without trouble. I do think that if someone isn't educated on the psd then they are asking for troubles.
Fuel prices here this morning is diesel=$4.79 and 87=$4.59. $.20 isn't going to pay off the fuel milage difference. 1 thing I do want to touch on is. After 800 pages we still hear the $7000 higher engine cost. But most of us buy our trucks used. So we don't really don't see that cost. I bought my 6.0l in 06 with 30k miles on it for $30k. Now tell me how much more I gave for the engine. In 2009 long lewis ford in muscle shoals bought out some dealerships. You coulda bought a brand new 08 f250 w/ the 6.4l cc fx4 for $37k. That's what we gave for my wife's 11' SD w/ 6.2l cc fx4. Which one do you think will hold it vailue better? How rare are these prices. Not very if you shop hard. Sat. I priced some 11 SDs with the 6.7l cc fx4s from $48k-$52k. I don't know what makes the price difference. That's heck of a price over the 6.2l but the 6.7l is a heck of a engine over the 6.2l also. I dunno of any info that a 6.7l will strand you on the side of the road. I don't think that $48k for a 11' psd larait cc fx4 isn't to bad of a price.

 

Some V10 owners can't overcome rubbing the couple of years Ford manufactured lousy 6 liters.
Per my understanding we are comparing in this topic Powerstrokes since 1999, what makes year of production 1998 like mine is. That is 13 years of production with only 2 years of bad records. Now how many years V10 have been spitting the plugs?
I guess the topic will get new turn soon, since diesel prices are going back to normal and are already lower than Premium.
I wonder what arguments will "plugspitters" owners make when the diesel price will go back to stay below regular?

 

Loan what loan?


GM diesel guys do the same thing. they easily forgot the 30 years of crappy diesels GM had.

 

What's the tipping point for the number of grocery bags before it's considered a "big load"? Anything over 5? hehehehe

 

Facts:

The 7.3's: The well-known CPS problem with the 7.3 where it would either stall or just crap out and need to wait for it to cool while leaving you on the side of the road. For someone who can't work on it themselves (read: hired drivers), that was such a big problem, I can't fathom it personally. Now, of course, that's a $25 or so part, and two minutes to change. If you carry a spare

The 6.0's: well, that's obvious.

The 6.4: Look through the 6.4 forum for well-known issues. 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums - I don't have to go over them again, given they have been talked about in this thread enough.

The 6.7: I have already said that the 6.7 is one of the best diesels out there, powerwise, and reliability so far. But time will tell... Meanwhile, people are still having issues with them. 2011 6.7L Ford Diesel - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

You can allow your machismo to overshadow facts, this is America and you're free to do so

 

Don't know where you get that crappolla from, but just yesterday I pulled 30,000 lb set with my 7.3 over Sonora pass. On one stretch of those 26 % grades, I was on 1st gear (above low) and holding gas pedal on the floor for good 20 minutes. The lie-o-meter never even show engine temperature rise, although I did hear engine fan running all the time. Have gorgeous pictures I will post in another thread.
BTW hearing that crappola 5 years ago I bought spare CPS for $20. Still have it in my glove compartment 60,000 miles later.

 

Didn't realize it was that steep...are you sure that's not 26 degrees?

 

That is what government signs were saying. Than driving on 1st gear for total of about 1hr would make me thinking they are right.

 

I don't diesel prices has ever reached higher enough over 87 around here for any gasser milage arguement. As long as diesel stays within $.50 of 87 I'm still ahead.
The arguement the gassers have that can't be denied is that for a truck that travels less than 10k miles a year a diesel's maintance cost out weighs any avantage if any it has. The maintance a year should get you between 10k-15k. Depends on when you change your oil. I change mine 7500 miles and I change fuelfilters every other. Just works out good that way. I know guys that change their oil on 5k and fuelfilters every 10k. I haven't found a need to do that. A friend friend of mine says he does the 5k oil change and 10k fuelfilter change because he doesn't use any fuel additives so the money averages out for the filters. He says his 5k oil change pays for itself cause he doesn't open the filter cap before draining so he only puts back 12 qts at the most. He thinks this averages out cause he's saving 3 qts a change. I don't believe it's andavantage myself. So if you don't drive your truck much and still have to do the maintance because of the time interval a diesel just cost to much. However if your making money off your truck and your putting lots of miles on your truck a year that's a different story. The maintance of my truck dips just alittle in my profits. But that's busness.
Here's the adavantage or trade off w/ me and my psd. I haul a much heavier load than what I should but none the less capable by the drivetrain. This saves me trips which saves me time and money on fuel.