And that's gonna prove what? That statistically you are the biggest loser? Because the odds of getting 3 bum motors that were "just bad" are pretty much nil to zilch....

I have no doubt that you had a bad one that may have had some factory issues. But 3.... yeah, I have oceanfront property in AZ too...

I know a guy at work with an 03 that is 100% stock with close to 95k mile on his 6.0 and no problems at all. All he does is tow a 30' trailer with hay and his farm critters. Still runs like a champ.

I won't argue that they are higher maintenance and best off with some expensive upgrades.... that's why I have the 7.3.

 

Yea, p-nut, do you have any positive proof they actually replace the motor 3 times? or is that just what they told you?

 

Not even if you tried. Way I see it you would have to. Run with no oil in it. Then if got away w/ it 1ce you sure as heck won't do it twice none the less 3 times.
P-nut I don't believe any of your story. That beinging said if Ford bought your truck back it wasn't because of all you say happened.

 

I love how all of you diesel owners are getting mad all of the sudden over something yyou obviously have no clue about. What reason do I have to make things up like this? What benefit do I get by telling you false experiences with the engine and truck involved?

Now I have two reasons why I loathe ford diesels. One; they cant last. Two; fellow PSD owners will stab you in the back at every convenience.

Oh and what about the cause of Ford buying my truck back not being because of the engine? FYI; the engine was the ONLY PROBLEM I HAD WITH THE TRUCK. I had the engine replaced two times during my ownership (both were short block replacements). The last time the engine went, I never witnessed a replacement as the truck was out of my hands at that point. I was never told what the problem was other than the engine was "damaged beyond repair" and replaced under the powertrain warranty. This was all included as part of the Lemon Law claim I filed for the inability of the vehicle to conform to manufacturer specifications that was followed by an investigation into how the truck was used and maintained followed by Ford paying the balance of the truck off (ford motor credit) and mailing me a check for the difference along with an apology letter that basically "thanked" me for being patient during the investigation process. I literally did ZERO maintenance to this truck myself, the dealer did all servicing and diagnosis. My truck sat at the dealer the final time the engine went, with no engine in it for three months and ten days while I was left without a vehicle. I was offered a new truck in its place that I turned down just to save myself the agony of having the same problem again. I got my old truck back and was happier than ever that it was still there.

If you don't like that, I don't care. I dont need to explain my actions or opinions to you or anyone else further than I already have. Although my experience isn't typical (I hope), I can't say it didn't or won't happen to anyone else. My opinion of the PSD was formed from that experience and nothing else.

BTW: Last post in V10 vs. PSD thread.

 

 

Lol that's funny. A psd owner is going to stab me in the back?
No p-nut you don't have to give me any further explaintion nor did you owe me the one you already gave.

 

Let's extend his back in time using the "Trailer Life Towing Guides" sponsored by Ford. Numbers are for a F350 CC DRW 2WD Auto trans. 5th wheel towing (V-10 w 4.30). Tow Boss numbers not included since there is no V-10 Tow Boss.

2011 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.7L V-8 TD 21,800#
2011 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.2L V-8 15,000#

2008 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.4L V-8 TD 18,200#
2008 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.8L V-10 16,100#

2005 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.0L V-8 TD 18,700#
2005 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.8L V-10 16,100#

2003 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 7.3L V-8 TD 12,800#
2003 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.8L V-10 13,300#

1999 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 7.3L V-8 TD 13,200#
1999 F-350 CC DRW 2WD 6.8L V-10 13,600#

Interesting, when we get back to the 7.3L TD years the V-10 is the tow-hoss. I wonder, did the Ford engineers have to find/build another diesel to out-pull the gasser?

http://www.trailerlife.com/

 

First off, everyone, GET OVER YOURSELVES.

This is getting personal AGAIN and that's the reason it was closed last time.

No one here is required to participate in this discussion, and if you don't like what's being said, and/or don't want to believe it, DO NOT POST HERE.

Yes

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If anyone doesn't believe that 6.0's failed massively and many were bought back by Ford, in droves, you either weren't here on FTE in 2003-2004, or weren't paying attention to the right forums.

Many of the old-timers that were here around then are no longer here. Many of them just got tired of justifying their decision to NOT jump ship from Ford to another manufacturer and instead just chose gas.

It appears a lot of revisionist history is ongoing.

The fact that there are 6.0s running around today that still are going strong leads me to believe one thing.

The ones that failed are long gone.

 

That I will agree with. Ford rushed the '03-'04 6.0L's out trying to meet the emissions requirements. (Cummins later paid out huge for waiting as long as they did.) The '05-'07's are good motors, but with everything had thier share of issues.

Hopefully all the bad engines are off the road by now, cause I doubt you'll see Ford buying anymore of them back.

 

I think a very small percentage decided to go gas. The others when Dodge Cummins or Chevy Duramax

 

My guess was that 7.3 liter diesel, being first generation of drive by wire trucks was learning ground for Ford. I still use my 7.3 to pull over 30,000 lb set ups and my being early 99 is like 230 HP rated. Sure it slows down on the grades, but always gets there. Amazing how 10 years later Ford gets almost double HP from smaller diesel engine.

 

I have no specific reason to doubt what he says happened, but I think there may be some erroneous conclusions drawn from it. P-nut syas his truck basically blew 3 engines, when by his own words what they changed was 2 short blocks, the last apparently being good enough to get the truck gone. Changing short blocks is a far cry from a complete engine, which means a whole lot of parts were getting recycled during each repair.

I'd wager that the dealership was repairing the results of the problem and never actually fixing the problem itself. Like most others I highly doubt 3 bad blocks in a row. Something else was going on.


Been there myself with a Ford product back in the mid to late 80's. A brand new single owner vehicle that was in the dealer over 6 times over the course of 18 or so months, always for the same problem. According to them they replaced bad parts from fuel pumps to injectors, all the way up to a complete motor replacment and tranny/xfer case rebuild. Nothing they ever did changed the provlem one bit. Eventual buyback and replacement with a model two years newer. Most dependable vehicle I've owned so far.


The point is the dealer did nothing but throw parts at the problem hoping to hit it, and never did. I'm guessing a similar issue at P-nuts dealer, which means a bad dealer, leading to a bad customer experience, and not neccessarily the P.O.S. Ford product that P-nut believes.

 

Honestly engine HP/TQ is probably the least important requirement for deciding towing weight. Other thing are by far more important. The first probably being the brakes then Axles/tires, frame and lastly overall weight of the vehicle. I'm guessing engine would at the point of figuring out the weight of the vehicle.

 

I'm a firm believer that most of the 6.0's problems were not from the engine itself, but the learning curve thrown at the mechanics.

Kinda like a good mechanic I know, knows carbed engines better than anyone I've met - throw an EFI at him and he sounds as stupid as the day is wide.

 

The die hard Ford fans didn't, they went gas. You just don't hear about them anymore because they got tired of threads like this

As for much of the 6.0's troubles being the dealer techs, well, yeah, that was a large part of it, methinks.