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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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Don't know if you refer to my experience (it is kind of hard to come back at the end of the day and catch 20 pages in this thread) but I did just that last Sunday.
You need to come to California to get some of these 26% grades and I will set nice 22k trailer forya.
Obviously can't guarantee your automatic tranny will survive.
1st off 22k trailer is my norm. Next is as I've said several times I dunno the meaning of grades. So when ya say 5% grade or 26% grade its meaningless to me.
2nd yes the 1st gear test was in response of your post. Remember I stated that I would try it out and post back to ya. The whole reasoning in that was because you was relating to burning up the engine and I suspected that the tranny would feel the heat long before the engine. As my test runs has shown ME the engine will rev past the tranny's limit. The engine never sweets. I just don't see you with your foot on the floor "WOT" pulling for 20 minutes in 1st. 30 mph is going to top out that gear. Its only going to take a few second to do that. So ur going to have to either (A) raise your foot up and lower your engine speed to match the gears final drive speed to pull 30 mph in that gear. Unless your in a situation where your engine can't make the revs to over the top speed. {I wouldn't be admitting this}.
My 2nd gear test is in response to 6.8l running highway speeds in 2nd. Really I just want to see how fast I could travel in 2nd. If younpunch rhe numbers into a caculator it corlates with our findings. I was really surprised I could only make 42 mph on average. What surprises me is that the tranny quits pulling around 3800 rpms at that speeds.
I'll hook to any trailer and take out. Worst case is I won't pull it. I'm not scared of work or "grades". On a side note if your 7.3l made it to the top I know I have the tool that will/can do the same.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
1st off 22k trailer is my norm. Next is as I've said several times I dunno the meaning of grades. So when ya say 5% grade or 26% grade its meaningless to me.
2nd yes the 1st gear test was in response of your post. Remember I stated that I would try it out and post back to ya. The whole reasoning in that was because you was relating to burning up the engine and I suspected that the tranny would feel the heat long before the engine. As my test runs has shown ME the engine will rev past the tranny's limit. The engine never sweets. I just don't see you with your foot on the floor "WOT" pulling for 20 minutes in 1st. 30 mph is going to top out that gear. Its only going to take a few second to do that. So ur going to have to either (A) raise your foot up and lower your engine speed to match the gears final drive speed to pull 30 mph in that gear. Unless your in a situation where your engine can't make the revs to over the top speed. {I wouldn't be admitting this}.
My 2nd gear test is in response to 6.8l running highway speeds in 2nd. Really I just want to see how fast I could travel in 2nd. If younpunch rhe numbers into a caculator it corlates with our findings. I was really surprised I could only make 42 mph on average. What surprises me is that the tranny quits pulling around 3800 rpms at that speeds.
I'll hook to any trailer and take out. Worst case is I won't pull it. I'm not scared of work or "grades". On a side note if your 7.3l made it to the top I know I have the tool that will/can do the same.

Not trying to get in the middle of your guy's pissing match, but the "grade" is the steepness of the hill, just FYI.


Grade (slope) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by parkland
It costs about 10-15 cents / liter. (If you could go to a refinery and put a nozzle in your rig, which will never happen. )
Refinery is 21% of the retail price. $3.80x.21=$.80. Tax makes up 10%. $3.80=$.38. Your .15 a liter comes to .57. A refinery can't sell it cheaper than their cost.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
1st off 22k trailer is my norm. Next is as I've said several times I dunno the meaning of grades. So when ya say 5% grade or 26% grade its meaningless to me.
2nd yes the 1st gear test was in response of your post. Remember I stated that I would try it out and post back to ya. The whole reasoning in that was because you was relating to burning up the engine and I suspected that the tranny would feel the heat long before the engine. As my test runs has shown ME the engine will rev past the tranny's limit. The engine never sweets. I just don't see you with your foot on the floor "WOT" pulling for 20 minutes in 1st. 30 mph is going to top out that gear. Its only going to take a few second to do that. So ur going to have to either (A) raise your foot up and lower your engine speed to match the gears final drive speed to pull 30 mph in that gear. Unless your in a situation where your engine can't make the revs to over the top speed. {I wouldn't be admitting this}.
My 2nd gear test is in response to 6.8l running highway speeds in 2nd. Really I just want to see how fast I could travel in 2nd. If younpunch rhe numbers into a caculator it corlates with our findings. I was really surprised I could only make 42 mph on average. What surprises me is that the tranny quits pulling around 3800 rpms at that speeds.
I'll hook to any trailer and take out. Worst case is I won't pull it. I'm not scared of work or "grades". On a side note if your 7.3l made it to the top I know I have the tool that will/can do the same.
Sounds like you never put your truck to real work. Percentage of the road is as simple as... percentage. 26% means that for each 100 feet of horizontal travel, the elevation change 26 feet. As a reference most highway standards don't allow more than 7% and anything above 10% is consider extreme. On 5% downgrade vehicles put on neutral will maintain above 70 mph. On 6% downgrade I have to push brakes to stay below 80 mph.
Now when you get on 26% grade pulling heavy load with 1st gear and WOT, your truck is going to slow down, not zoom to 30 mph. Only jetfighters have power to weight proportion good enough for vertical acceleration.
Do you have a tool for such a job? Engine maybe, but per what you are saying your tranny will cook up in just minutes?
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ToMang07

Not trying to get in the middle of your guy's pissing match, but the "grade" is the steepness of the hill, just FYI.


Grade (slope) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Duh? Surely you jest.
I know what a grade is. What I dunno is how steep your talking about when you say ??? Grade. I don't live in a state where they post em.
Its not a pissing contest. It simply put my test on statements made. Do you think mythbusters is in a pissing contest? Like I've said several times. I love to learn and enjoy science projects. The best projects is ones I use my truck
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Sounds like you never put your truck to real work. Percentage of the road is as simple as... percentage. 26% means that for each 100 feet of horizontal travel, the elevation change 26 feet. As a reference most highway standards don't allow more than 7% and anything above 10% is consider extreme.
Now when you get on such a grade pulling heavy load with 1st gear and WOT, your truck is going to slow down, not zoom to 30 mph. Only jetfighters have power to weight proportion good enough for vertical acceleration.
Do you have a tool for such a job? Engine maybe, but per what you are saying your tranny will cook up in just minutes?
Oh so working your truck only means know what a percent means. I know whst the grade percent means. Its simple math. My last couple posts has some percentage. Math worked out.
I just don't see the "angle" in my head. Why I've never climbed a posted hill nor have a ever measured one.
So your saying I'm wrong and an engine is going to burn up before the tranny will? Show me. In the next couple of weeks I'll video a couple climbs and let you tell me the grade and if I'm working my truck. I promise you, you don't have a situtaion I'll back away from. My tranny has survived the hell I put it thru. And from what I read and hurd from several hotshotters etc, the tqshift will hold up to anything that any other tranny will. Matterof speaking its prolly the best tranny on the planet in -12k lb trucks.
My runs are far from over. This is just a start.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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I love to add pictures to the samples. This is +- 100%

 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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I love to add pictures to the samples. This is +- 100%

I like to be real. I've never climbed anything like that.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2011 | 11:24 PM
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OK, Here is about 30%

 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 02:05 AM
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OK, Here is about 30%

Looks like a couple of our hills around here. Can't be certain from the angle of the shot. Can tell better if picture is taken from bottom straight on the hill.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 02:29 AM
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Looks like Lombard Street in San Francisco.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 04:15 PM
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Lombard Street in its steepest block is having 27% of natural slope, while I don't think the zigzagging pavement has more than 10%. This street is parallel to Lombard. I never measured if it is more, or less steep, but sure made impression on our Canadian friends. The left side passengers were asked to not leave the car before right side passengers got out. Opening and closing doors was a job on its own. Than on return the seat belts were locked because of tilt.
What I am getting to is that as always on the net, some people will bore you to death talking about grades, while others simply drive them. Not to offend anybody
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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Refinery is 21% of the retail price. $3.80x.21=$.80. Tax makes up 10%. $3.80=$.38. Your .15 a liter comes to .57. A refinery can't sell it cheaper than their cost.
crude is about 40 cents / gallon.
It might take more than a gallon to make a gallon of diesel, but very little is wasted, my point still being that everyone is getting bent over.
The retail price is different than the actual cost, or inter-department purchases.

And if that's not enough, they also control pumping and production from the wells to always pump "just enough" to sell at top dollar. As soon as oil price goes down, they start shutting down wells so the price never goes really low.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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Opening and closing doors was a job on its own.
A long time ago, I picked up this blonde chick with fake ***** from this sleazy tourist bar, and we were drinking in this pickup truck.
There was a lot of liquor involved and it was late, and somehow or another the truck rolled, all by itself, and landed on the passenger side.

I could not believe how heavy it was to open the door, you open them every day, but they are way heavier than I EVER imagined before.

At the time, I barely got out of the truck cause the door was so heavy.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by parkland
A long time ago, I picked up this blonde chick with fake ***** from this sleazy tourist bar, and we were drinking in this pickup truck.
There was a lot of liquor involved and it was late, and somehow or another the truck rolled, all by itself, and landed on the passenger side.

I could not believe how heavy it was to open the door, you open them every day, but they are way heavier than I EVER imagined before.

At the time, I barely got out of the truck cause the door was so heavy.
Now I am trying to picture how those fake ***** made the truck flipping on its side
 
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