Gas vs PSD
Cargo Master
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First off, everyone, GET OVER YOURSELVES.
This is getting personal AGAIN and that's the reason it was closed last time.
No one here is required to participate in this discussion, and if you don't like what's being said, and/or don't want to believe it, DO NOT POST HERE.
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If anyone doesn't believe that 6.0's failed massively and many were bought back by Ford, in droves, you either weren't here on FTE in 2003-2004, or weren't paying attention to the right forums.
Many of the old-timers that were here around then are no longer here. Many of them just got tired of justifying their decision to NOT jump ship from Ford to another manufacturer and instead just chose gas.
It appears a lot of revisionist history is ongoing.
The fact that there are 6.0s running around today that still are going strong leads me to believe one thing.
The ones that failed are long gone.
This is getting personal AGAIN and that's the reason it was closed last time.
No one here is required to participate in this discussion, and if you don't like what's being said, and/or don't want to believe it, DO NOT POST HERE.
Yes
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If anyone doesn't believe that 6.0's failed massively and many were bought back by Ford, in droves, you either weren't here on FTE in 2003-2004, or weren't paying attention to the right forums.
Many of the old-timers that were here around then are no longer here. Many of them just got tired of justifying their decision to NOT jump ship from Ford to another manufacturer and instead just chose gas.
It appears a lot of revisionist history is ongoing.
The fact that there are 6.0s running around today that still are going strong leads me to believe one thing.
The ones that failed are long gone.
You never thought it was personal when someone challenged me.
As far as ford building a psd to out pull a gasser. I reckon that all depends on who is driving. The 7.3 and 6.8 is prolly as close as the engines had ever been. I think the higher compression and low end tq of the 7.3 will help it battle momentum robbing condictions. The 6.0l wasn't built or rushed to compete w/ the gassers. It was competing with cummins and duramax. The 6.0 did put a big gap between the psd and gasser. That gap will stay there until ford finds an engine that can make over 550 lbs tq.
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You are mistaken.
My point was that this conversation is leading off into the personal zone again.
My point was that this conversation is leading off into the personal zone again.
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Implying that someone is a liar doesn't look very nice to new folks viewing the thread either and it's a poor reflection of FTE and its membership.And I agree with Art......he just beat me to it. The personal crap is going to have to stop or the next time I shut this thing down, it won't reopen.
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I'm a firm believer that most of the 6.0's problems were not from the engine itself, but the learning curve thrown at the mechanics.
Kinda like a good mechanic I know, knows carbed engines better than anyone I've met - throw an EFI at him and he sounds as stupid as the day is wide.
Kinda like a good mechanic I know, knows carbed engines better than anyone I've met - throw an EFI at him and he sounds as stupid as the day is wide.
Fleet Mechanic
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The 6 leaker was a problem child from the very beginning and it still is. The Ford dealers of America salute the 6 leaker as it has kept their shops in business since 2003. The number of 6 leaker TSB's are up to around 267 and still climbing if you include all of the re-flashes, it's over 300. As stated before, the 6 leaker fiasco has sold more Chevy's and Dodges than all of the Chevy and Dodge commercials combined. I have 6 leaker friends that are still so upside down on their 6 leakers that they are willing to take a bath just to get rid of theirs. All you diesel heads can ever say about the V-10 is the "blowing plugs" which didn't happen to but a low % and none after 2002. When the V-10 came of age in 2005 with the TorqueShift tranny, it blew the doors off every stock diesel made. The newer V-10's are the very best power truck engine ever made including the 7.3 which only has 136 TSB's. It is what it is.
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The 6 leaker was a problem child from the very beginning and it still is. The Ford dealers of America salute the 6 leaker as it has kept their shops in business since 2003. The number of 6 leaker TSB's are up to around 267 and still climbing if you include all of the re-flashes, it's over 300. As stated before, the 6 leaker fiasco has sold more Chevy's and Dodges than all of the Chevy and Dodge commercials combined. I have 6 leaker friends that are still so upside down on their 6 leakers that they are willing to take a bath just to get rid of theirs. All you diesel heads can ever say about the V-10 is the "blowing plugs" which didn't happen to but a low % and none after 2002. When the V-10 came of age in 2005 with the TorqueShift tranny, it blew the doors off every stock diesel made. The newer V-10's are the very best power truck engine ever made including the 7.3 which only has 136 TSB's. It is what it is.
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Although it doesn't blow the doors (pulling) off any diesel (except the old IDIs)
Cargo Master
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No it didn't. The 6.0 still has 100 + lbs tq, 6.4 200+ lbs and 6.7 400+ lbs of tq. Yea I like how the gap has closed.
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I'm just going to throw this out there, because the argument on this thread is worth coming back for, BUT:
When you are posting "Specs"..... Post the year that spec is associated with!
It keeps a lot of the guess work out of it!
When you are posting "Specs"..... Post the year that spec is associated with!
It keeps a lot of the guess work out of it!
Cargo Master
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I don't think to post yrs because for the 6.0l and up not much changes. Over the 4 yrs the 6.0 only gain 10 ftlbs of tq. I don't know of any for the 6.4l
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I just keep seeing these ""specs" pop up and cant be sure what engine/year combos people are refering to, ya know, lol!
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I've only had to fill up my diesel fuel tank once so far this summer! I like fuel mileage! It saves money and makes me like the X even more. Its like marrying a hot woman and then finding out she does excellent cooking.
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I have to hand it to Ford when it comes to the 6.7. They produced an apparently very-reliable in-house diesel. Finally.
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Now, if you want to talk about FORD manufactured diesels compared to gassers, well, there is only the 6.7 to compare too
The rest aren't "Ford" diesels
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Would you mind going into detail with those computations? I can't see how two equally equipped trucks 6.0L and V10 from say 2007 (match the better of the 6.0's, and the 3v V10) and not have a power gap there.