Humm. Some of us know better then that. The 7.3 can be made to pull better then the newer diesels.

 

Yeah even though I drive a V10 I dont use the net to look at gas prices. Just look up at the sign when I pull in. Today same station on the northern edge of Cincinnati, Gas=$3.45 Diesel=$3.99 so looks like things are looking up for the diesel guys where I live. And it is a valid arguement. How can you say it's not? I'm not gonna try to convince anyone that my gasser pulls better, I know it doesnt. Most of the diesel rigs I see arent even working and are usually spotless, or are landscape outfits pulling a trailer a Ranger could handle. Thats the main reason I laugh at the extra money these guys spend on purchase price ,whether new or used, and fuel. If I hauled heavy loads a couple times a week, I'd have gotten a diesel.

Great if you tow 8K up a 5% grade, I dont need to. Thats what gets lost in this debate, it's apples and oranges. If you need a diesel rig, you know it. If you want a diesel rig, have fun paying the extra $ just to be trendy. Being a cowboy is in style these days, kinda sad. There is no diesel envy on my behalf.

How can you even carry on a conversation in those noisy rigs anyway? And the fuel smells terrible also. This wouldn't matter to me if I needed a diesel, but for a trend it wouldn't be worth putting up with. I enjoy trucks of all types, it's the diesel guys saying "man ya shoulda got a diesel". I guess just to have one. Well, trends are not for me, so enjoy those rigs and I"ll enjoy my peaceful cruise pulling all my little 5 K # trailer.

 

You claim there is no envy but the rest of your post says otherwise...

 

Both looked good. I know the salesman, he actually wouldn't care either way. Being small town he knows most of the people that come in and what they drive. He has tried several times to buy my 7.3 off of me, but gave up a few years ago knowing I wouldn't sell it.

But for location. It's Chariton Ford. Anyone wants the number PM me and I will give it to you.

 

even at your claimed prices

3.49 - gas
3.99 - diesel

gas is only 13% cheaper. a functioning diesel power pickup gets anywhere between 50-100% better mileage. not even close to comparable, even at those levels. (the "diesel is more expensive" argument is, and probably always will be, a moot point. diesel owners still pay less for fuel.)

as for the noise, i have just about the noisiest piece of equipment there is. as if my straight piped, big 6 isnt loud enough. . .i tore out the insulation to make it easier to work on. that bein said, i hold conversations with my soft spoken girlfriend whenever shes in it. yea its loud as hell, but not bein able to hold a conversation? thats a lil ridiculous.

i can only speak for myself, but i would never buy a new vehicle. that bein said, im not paying insane premiums for my trucks "just for the diesel option", because theyre used. i daily drive my truck, and i go all over the place (state to state). while there are plenty of idiots that own/drive diesels that think theyre awesome cuz they can black smoke and have a stupid ******* hangin from the hitch, there are plenty of people who buy them for practical reasons. i like power (the type of power only a "turned up" truck will give me). i like mileage. i need a truck. i want it to last long. i see no other option.

its not a trend, its the closest thing to accomplishing all of my goals.

 

If I needed a diesel, but couldnt get one I'd be envious. Truth is I dont need one and chose my V10 over a PSD. Now if I had to choose between a 5.4 and PSD, I'd have to get the PSD, cause I understand the need for power. Your rig looks pretty shinny too. Is it hard to load up that rig with the tonnueo cover on it?

 

For you having a diesel may not be trend. In my area it is. Even if you bought used, you paid more for a diesel. When i was shopping for mine, I chose the 08 V10 over an 07 psd. Near the same condition, mileage and price.

I didnt mean you couldn't have a conversation in a diesel. I'm a grown man with a wife and kids, I dont need an obnoxious exhaust to shout over.

And yeah I think most of us will agree on the truck nuts.

Diesels ARE more expensive. I just choose to spend my $ on ATV crap. To each his own. But saying one truck is better than another is simply discretion and in the eyes of the beholder. If all you need is a smart (stupid) car any truck would be pretty stupid.

 

This goes for anything in life. I'm a bow hunter that use to have time to enjoy 3d archry. At the range you hear "you should accs", "mathew bows" blah blah. In fishing you hear it about rods, bait, boats and everthing else. This is just guys and life. Its all dues to the club.
I dunno how diesel was prior to 04, but my truck don't smell like fuel. These engines aren't so loud you can't do normal funtions in the cab. Talk, think or listen to the radio. My 5.4 w/ straight pipes was louder. The price difference between the fuels isn't cut and dry. A psd holds a lot of its milage percentage while loaded. Just nature of the beast. If you put fuel cost to fuel milage on a calculator and you'll see where fuel price isn't a valued arguement.

 

I am not saying that the high reported prices can't be seen. I am pretty sure that somewhere downtown San Francisco diesel sell for about $5. I've been burned by GassByddy information as well, as human do make errors.
But posting single seen price as average price is plain lie. I linked map of the questioned area where the average fuel prices are about 15 cents lower than the quoted. That did apply to you Krewat and that apply to the other member as well
What is so hard to understand?

 

I never said they were averged prices. If you were driving down that street and needed diesel your paying $3.99 not the average price capish? Really I dont care all that much about this topic and I'll go ahead and move on. Enjoy your rigs and I'll enjoy mine. Ok fine yours is better, you got a better gun than me, your boat is bigger than mine and so on. Doesn't affect my life at all.haha Most of yall got older rigs than mine so atleast I have that. geez

 

im not wealthy by any remote defenition of the word, but i have all sorts of toys (more than what sin my sig). why? cuz i spent 20k total on my truck (truck + mods), a fraction of the cost of a new one. my truck is a giant reliable toy. . .i cant have all the new ricers runnin around thinkin they bought a fast piece of equipment now can i?

i dont have to shout over my truck, unless im tryin to talk to someone outside. loud pipes save lives.

as for the smell, dwight eisenhower said it best. . ."the smell of diesel in the morning is the smell of victory"

 

In canada right now, where i live,, gas is 1.29 / liter, diesel is 1.18/ liter.


And in case nobody heard before, my wifes equinox gets 1 MPG or so better than my crew cab ford. Guess who's laughing now...

 

haha

I wanted a gas engined truck when I was looking for mine... mostly because I felt it would be cheaper to operate. Because of my requirements (it needed to be 4x4, Long Bed... and more specifically have a manual trans), finding one was near impossible.
In retrospect, I am glad - the noise the thing makes when going through a tunnel can make me laugh out loud. (it's straight piped from the turbo back...) I have been driving it more frequently than I expected, so the improved milage is a bonus, I have been able to get oil for super cheap, so one of the biggest expenses has disappeared... and whenever I pull into a parking lot the attendants of Latino descent typically start pulling out wads of cash to purchase it.

The truck has been super reliable, and apart from the typical Super Duty foibles (ball Joints needed replacing, small electrical issues) its been perfect.
Not that long... but thats not really the point, I don't think many people that purchase such a tune are looking to traverse the Rockies with a 5'er with it installed.
I, for the most part, don't see the ability to get an exorbitant amount of hp to be as appealing when choosing a vehicle (probably why I wanted a 5.4 ), but others do...

 

yea this is the glory of diesel. . .we get comparable mileage to people with small suv's/crossovers. . .with the ability to do just about anything. (including going fast). nothin beats the pedal feel of 1000 lb/ft of torque.

about a previous statement about the 5.9 cummins being overrated. . .i really dunno how the cummins should be rated to be honest. what i do know, is it deserves A LOT of credit. the bottom ends of the motor have virtually been unchanged since their debut in the 1st gen. . .and its the original turbocharged platform (of course the h1c is a cavernous piece of garbage), and the pioneer of diesel performance. all of the bottom ends are capable of huge hp numbers (1,000 hp on any of them has been achieved thousands of times). they have the heaviest rotating assembly of any of them, even though it is the smallest. the 7.3 was the first motor that could be modded, and anyone runnin high hp has partially or completely filled blocks. the 6.0 is stout enough to run tuners safely (500 hp is easily attainable) once deleted and studded, but any further and youre lookin at replacin bottom end parts. the 6.4 has proven nothin but impressive with spartan tunes. but their reliability is still suspect, i know guys making huge and stock power numbers that have destroyed bottom end components, and i know a guy who pushes his stocker to its limits (hes been in diesel power mag[not sayin i am a fan of DPM] 600 hp fuel only and 800+ on the bottle, and is just waiting for it to blow up). the 6.7 seems promising, the power numbers once the aftermarket catches up will be very impressive, and i dont doubt for one minute that fords debut into diesel productoin is going to be a statement of their capability. i think they will be a stout platform, but only time will tell. i will say, its the only motor to date that i havent been able to pick apart and see the innards. any honest dmax enthusiast will tell you they sling apart after 600 wheel. . .the later ones being more stout than the older ones, they still need bottom end strenghthening to make big hp. the bottom line is, the cummins doesnt. sure they break just like anything else will, but its a stout bottom end, and has utilized some impressive fueling components in its lifetime. 350-400hp from the VE was available at a time when the others didnt even have turbos. the p-pump'd 5.9's speak for themselves, and EFI live just came out for the CR's. as EFI live starts filling 6.7 owners lust for power, its gonna be tough to see anything outperform it.

dont get me wrong, i know i sound like i talk down upon other motors sometimes, but i have experience with virtually all of them. and i give respect where respect is due. i love 7.3's and 6.0's for that matter, i have a cummins because it was the cheapest/easiest route for a guy who has too many damn toys and wrenches on all of them. i have buddies with all the big 3, and when i see guys with strong trucks i shoot the breeze with them any chance i get to see what tunes they run etc. and, im in no way a dodge fan. what happens when my motor falls out and i need to do somethin else, will basically be dictated by what is available at the time, how much time i actually have, and how much money i actualy have.

 

And posting prices from a website, where I was just there an hour ago, around the same times as the "report" on the website?

What can't YOU understand?

You can call people liars because they see a sign with a price on it that doesn't agree with the prices you see on a website.

You are perfectly welcome to visit Lindenhurst, NY, zip code 11757 and see the prices for yourself and compare them to your favorite website.

When you do, and you and I both look at the same sign and I do not report what is actually on the sign, you can call me a liar.

Until then, either stop calling people liars, or LEAVE THIS THREAD.