If 1 BBL of crude cost 100$ and holds 42 gallons...

 

I don't understand what your saying. That's the percent of each stage. So of course the more or less the bbl cost the more or less the over all cost will be.

 

64% cost being crude, that would mean that 2.56$ of crude was needed for each gallon.

Crude is worth about 40-50 cents/ gallon.

They'll say "It takes 5 gallons to make 1 gallon of diesel" and while this is true, almost every product derived from the process is sold for profit.

They're just making it sound good, the truth is that everyones paying out the azz.

 

I'm gonna start pumping my own oil!

 

Theres a guy who drilled his own natural gas well "under the radar", using a water drilling rig. He heats his house and barns and everything for free.
A rig will likely cost 18-25k / day, and you would likely have a well in 3 days - week. IF you have oil.
You also need a well license, and all kinds of other fun stuff.

 

I live on solid rock so I don't think I will be drilling any wells any time soon. Hell, I have been rod probing the ground for the last 3 days trying to find one spot I can get down at lest 12 feet without hitting rock for a pitcher pump.

 

Kevin and I have been doing some test. I hope of yall join in and help us. I'm videoing as I go along most of it isn't any good so as soon as I have good footage I'll start posting it.
Our conclusion right now is that the 6.8 os not going to pull high speed in 2nd gear. We've ran 10 runs each. We locked the transmission in 2nd in his 07 6.8l and my 04 6.0l. Both truck are equiped the same except for the chances that where made for the generations. Meaning we have same cab, drivetrain except engine, same trim both ate fx4 pkgs.
In my truck I've logged a max rpm of 41020 {insight recorded} and top speed of 42mph. Keven doesn't have a monitoring tool but an insight is on the way. So kevin set his trip computer to "test" and selected rpm to have accurate rpm. His results where max rpm of 5400 and top speed of 45 mph. Road condiction is flat straight away. The tqsht tranny just quits pulling.
Anthor test we ran was both of us locked 1st gear and WOT until quit pulling both trucks done real comparable. We just ised truck's gauges for results. Our findings is a WOT neither truck is going to pull more than a few second and tops out at 30 mph. Neither trucls engine temps budged. Both trucks tranny temps raised 10 degs. Conclution I've drawn is your not going to put ur foot on the floor and drive in 1st for 20 min. And that the tranny will over heat before the engine does. Let's hear some of yall's results.

 

Redo the test pulling a 15,000 lb trailer.

 

I can sympathize, I put in a new domestic water well 3 years ago.....893ft of pretty much solid rock until we hit the aquifer. That's just life in the high desert and a pretty standard well depth for my area.

 

My experiences towing with the SD are totally different. My "runs" are with my '00 F250 CC short bed 4X4 6.8L, 4.30 LS rear end. I mostly pull my 19' toy hauler with it. When my hauler is loaded (quads, 130 gals of water, etc) it probably tips the scales at 7500 to 8000 pounds.

On my way to the desert we have to go over the Cajon Pass is SoCal. It's a curved 8% grade for 3.5 miles. My F150 used to make it over that grade with a lightly loaded hauler but I'd be in first gear going 25mph by the time I got to the top. The first time I pulled the heavily loaded hauler with my stock SD (no tune or anything) I hit the top in second gear pulling about 4200 rpm's, but was easily going 55mph AND accelerating!

Point being, the truck would still accelerate pulling those RPM's and the transmission up and downshifted very well on that grade, I never moved the gearshift.

 

[QUOTE=parkland;10524775]64% cost being crude, that would mean that 2.56$ of crude was needed for each gallon.

Crude is worth about 40-50 cents/ gallon.

They'll say "It takes 5 gallons to make 1 gallon of diesel" and while this is true, almost every product derived from the process is sold for profit.

They're just making it sound good, the truth is that everyones paying out the azz.[/QUOT]
That's how its reported. I think the point your missing is they are charging us 64% of the retail price for crude. You can despute this cost or how much it takes etc until your blue in the face. The point of the matter is you still have a 31% tied up in refinery, and taxes. That has 1 gallon of fuel costing $1.17 before the price of crude. Most retail items are sold up to 300% over whole sale. @ 3.80g we still have $3.60 per gal to divide up between hauling to and from, retailer's cut, and crude oil. I'm just showing it cost more than a dime to make diesel TODAY. When you have a standard it cost money to meet that standard.

 

True enough we we're unloaded. The test wasn't really for the engine. I was testing the tranny and I was getting very different numbers than advertised. Having a buddy with a v10 and a discple of knowlege like myself makes for some interesting afternoons.
The point making the torque shift couldn't make over 45 mph at any rpm. We both lowered our rpms but still wouldn't get any more speed. As far as rpms is concerned we where not limited. We both let off the accelarator. Once the tranny quit pulling no amout of rpms is gonna change its mind. Thr tranny quit pulling before we left off and in both cases it was around 3800 rpm. I'm not seeing how a unloaded truck can't make speed but a loaded truck will.
Make no mistake about it. I will have test runs with heavy trailers and with a 12' disc. That's one thing I'm not.... Scared.

 

I agree, sounds strange. I would expect the trans to keep pulling untill the engine stops speeding up.

 

Don't know if you refer to my experience (it is kind of hard to come back at the end of the day and catch 20 pages in this thread) but I did just that last Sunday.
You need to come to California to get some of these 26% grades and I will set nice 22k trailer forya.
Obviously can't guarantee your automatic tranny will survive.

 

It costs about 10-15 cents / liter. (If you could go to a refinery and put a nozzle in your rig, which will never happen. )