Gas vs PSD
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FACT:
-A lot of bad diesel "stories" never come wrapped with the details. I find it entertaining that one man can go through 3 6.0 powerstrokes putting 300,000+ miles on them with little trouble, and then I come on here and read about someone who's gone through 3 6.0 engines under 50,000. Believe what you will, stories like "My boss had 50 6.0 powerstrokes and every one had HG failure and new turbo's and injectors!" are a joke.
When guys start talking about trucks, a lot of people dismiss problems until they get upset and then they over exaggerate.
Kinda like this girl I know, when she gets a new boyfriend, she gossips and brags to her friends about how great he is and what a giant unit he has. Two weeks later when he dumps her, she laughs at him for what a lousy guy he is and what a small package.
-Diesels come with stories that carry a scary tone. Improper maintenance and racing / tuning can cause expensive damage. Lots of these stories are from tuning and hot rodding. Seeing a post like "Ford has let me down once again", and then in their sig : "Diablo tuner, Stage III kit, Meth injection". Some of these tuners almost double the power, and then stories arise about HG's blown pistons, transmission damage.... The diesel engine is sold in a truck for towing, not a mustang for racing... use at own risk. Probably a big reason for diesels having so many bad stories, is tuners. Imagine if there were a v10 performance kit with a turbocharger that added 250 HP. All of a sudden we'd start seeing nightmare stories about v10's.
-The new diesels using urea are pleasing a larger crowd. At 400 HP and 20 MPG, I think a lot fewer people would feel the need to buy a tuner.
-Ford had a few problems, so did dodge and GM. IMHO ford easily has the toughest truck for years now. Our transmissions are way better than the allison, despite all the sexy propaganda, the last good cummins engines were the 12 V, and even those had issues too. Killer dowel pin anyone? My friend had that problem and it cost 3200$. His brother had the same problem. Nobody seems to remember that, but they will dwell all day about a 6.0 that needs HG's and studs and is 2x the truck. Another friend had a 24v dodge that he put injectors in 3 times before selling it. The duramax engine has had it problems too. Lots of people have had leaking injectors and all kinds of cool phenomenon that start to make a 6.0 PSD look pretty good.
-Ford sells a lot of diesels compared to other brands. Not only that, but ford trucks are very popular as fleet vehicles. All this exposure will get the creative story juice flowing, but does not mean that the truck is crap.
-"There were many running changes to the engine and in the 2006 year model the 6.0 had the lowest rate of warranty claims across the board for Ford Motor Company when compared to all of Ford's GAS (including v10) and diesel engines."
-A lot of bad diesel "stories" never come wrapped with the details. I find it entertaining that one man can go through 3 6.0 powerstrokes putting 300,000+ miles on them with little trouble, and then I come on here and read about someone who's gone through 3 6.0 engines under 50,000. Believe what you will, stories like "My boss had 50 6.0 powerstrokes and every one had HG failure and new turbo's and injectors!" are a joke.
When guys start talking about trucks, a lot of people dismiss problems until they get upset and then they over exaggerate.
Kinda like this girl I know, when she gets a new boyfriend, she gossips and brags to her friends about how great he is and what a giant unit he has. Two weeks later when he dumps her, she laughs at him for what a lousy guy he is and what a small package.
-Diesels come with stories that carry a scary tone. Improper maintenance and racing / tuning can cause expensive damage. Lots of these stories are from tuning and hot rodding. Seeing a post like "Ford has let me down once again", and then in their sig : "Diablo tuner, Stage III kit, Meth injection". Some of these tuners almost double the power, and then stories arise about HG's blown pistons, transmission damage.... The diesel engine is sold in a truck for towing, not a mustang for racing... use at own risk. Probably a big reason for diesels having so many bad stories, is tuners. Imagine if there were a v10 performance kit with a turbocharger that added 250 HP. All of a sudden we'd start seeing nightmare stories about v10's.
-The new diesels using urea are pleasing a larger crowd. At 400 HP and 20 MPG, I think a lot fewer people would feel the need to buy a tuner.
-Ford had a few problems, so did dodge and GM. IMHO ford easily has the toughest truck for years now. Our transmissions are way better than the allison, despite all the sexy propaganda, the last good cummins engines were the 12 V, and even those had issues too. Killer dowel pin anyone? My friend had that problem and it cost 3200$. His brother had the same problem. Nobody seems to remember that, but they will dwell all day about a 6.0 that needs HG's and studs and is 2x the truck. Another friend had a 24v dodge that he put injectors in 3 times before selling it. The duramax engine has had it problems too. Lots of people have had leaking injectors and all kinds of cool phenomenon that start to make a 6.0 PSD look pretty good.
-Ford sells a lot of diesels compared to other brands. Not only that, but ford trucks are very popular as fleet vehicles. All this exposure will get the creative story juice flowing, but does not mean that the truck is crap.
-"There were many running changes to the engine and in the 2006 year model the 6.0 had the lowest rate of warranty claims across the board for Ford Motor Company when compared to all of Ford's GAS (including v10) and diesel engines."
Being a die hard Ford guy its hard to say but the Duramax is the best diesel engine in this class of truck right now and the Allison is overrated.
6.4 will, God only knows what the 6.7 will do. my guess is with good tuning it will exceed the 6.4.
on that Note my next used truck will probably be a 6.4 or a Duratard engine in my current truck. (I know SHAME on me)
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Im a die hard Ford guy and Agree almost 100 percent with you. However its not the diesels that sell the truck, it is the truck its built solid and untill recent GM is just now closing the gap. Dodge is still a far cry away from it.
Being a die hard Ford guy its hard to say but the Duramax is the best diesel engine in this class of truck right now and the Allison is overrated.
6.4 will, God only knows what the 6.7 will do. my guess is with good tuning it will exceed the 6.4.
on that Note my next used truck will probably be a 6.4 or a Duratard engine in my current truck. (I know SHAME on me)
Being a die hard Ford guy its hard to say but the Duramax is the best diesel engine in this class of truck right now and the Allison is overrated.
6.4 will, God only knows what the 6.7 will do. my guess is with good tuning it will exceed the 6.4.
on that Note my next used truck will probably be a 6.4 or a Duratard engine in my current truck. (I know SHAME on me)
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From: Cincy area
Diesel = $4.10
Gas = $3.35
Prices are current for the Cincinnati area................................. scoreboard! Not to mention the upfront costs.
Gas = $3.35
Prices are current for the Cincinnati area................................. scoreboard! Not to mention the upfront costs.
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Here we go again. Gasoline drivers can't make arguments without stretching the facts.
As of today Pilot for Ohio reports gas prices $3.24-3.49, diesel prices $3.87-3.95.
Pilot truck stops have diesel prices always higher than regular stations.
Pilot Flying J - Complete Pricing List
As of today Pilot for Ohio reports gas prices $3.24-3.49, diesel prices $3.87-3.95.
Pilot truck stops have diesel prices always higher than regular stations.
Pilot Flying J - Complete Pricing List
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From: Dongola, IL
Diesel $3.74
Gas $3.67
Current price in southern Illinois.
As for the Duramax topic, They aren't all they are cracked up to be..... I've seen 4 snapped cranks and another with 3 spun mains, all in the last 2 months (Stock trucks too, with less than 120k on them). 08+ models.
Gas $3.67
Current price in southern Illinois.
As for the Duramax topic, They aren't all they are cracked up to be..... I've seen 4 snapped cranks and another with 3 spun mains, all in the last 2 months (Stock trucks too, with less than 120k on them). 08+ models.
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Here we go again. Gasoline drivers can't make arguments without stretching the facts.
As of today Pilot for Ohio reports gas prices $3.24-3.49, diesel prices $3.87-3.95.
Pilot truck stops have diesel prices always higher than regular stations.
Pilot Flying J - Complete Pricing List
As of today Pilot for Ohio reports gas prices $3.24-3.49, diesel prices $3.87-3.95.
Pilot truck stops have diesel prices always higher than regular stations.
Pilot Flying J - Complete Pricing List
I am happy with my diesel, he's happy with his gasser.... that's fine.But, they just don't know what they are missing
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Ain't that the truth
