Diesel has a hydro booster and gassers have a vacuum booster. When I was flushing my power steering/booster fluid I thought all the trucks had the hydro booster.

 

Pnut your post reminds me why I dumped my 6.0. One of my friends had lost the engine in his and was looking at a 25,000.00 bill to replace the engine. Then I had to pick up something at Ford and another guy was at Ford service being told he needed a new engine and he was out of warranty. I figured someone was trying to tell me something. The lease on my 07 was only 7 weeks from ending and I was going to buy it out. I ordered a 6.4 instead. Duh, I thought about going back to the V10 at the time, but the 6.4 was the rage and was supposed to be so great. NOT! So now here I am with a 6.2 gas on the way. If I was smart I would have went back to the V10 when I ordered my 09 and would have been thousands of dollars ahead. For those that need the diesel great, I don't and I am done with diesel engines in pick up trucks.

 

You just touched on a broad spectrum of things. And it apears to me you don't have a clue what your talking about.
If $5k repairs breaks you then your bad discussion was busness related not on what engine you bought. Repairs to ANY truck, engine, or equiment can run you up to $5k. In my case my truck has lasted me 5 yrs. If it has the dreaded 6.0 woes. I'm looking at $5k to repair it. That comes out to $1k. What busness can't cover that? A busness in stress. The truck didn't put it in stress. Gas has to get lower than .50 than diesel for the milage of a v10 to start breaking even. Look I don't what anybody on here says. Your not going to tow and get the same milage as my 6.0 w/ a 5.4 or a 6.8. Dude I work right beside them. I have friends and family w/ these engines. I know what they are getting. You might have your self convienced but you will never close my eyes.
Yes failed to mention those other 3 6.0owners in the park giving you a hard time. Telling ya should have gotten a real truck. I'm being sarcastic. White smoke and loss of power sounds like injector to me. The 6.0s that I knew that had blown head gaskets didn't lose any power. I can't remember if they smoked or not though. I don't think they did. I think it was lose of coolant that tipped em off. Could be bad fuel. If the truck is just a vacation truck man yea I'd say the 6.8 is the best option. Vgt turbos does not like to sit around. Its how they work that causes this. The vains stick and can't work the way they are suppose to. The v10 isn't a bad motor. Its milage kills it though. You watch the 6.2l is going to become the cicada killer. It cost just as much to maintain. Just changed the oil $27. Appears to get better milage. I was supprised it gets better milage than my f150 5.4 v3.
So yea I can see you sitting in camp by a morning fire simping coffee made in a electric coffee maker looking over to your SD and saying "I love you baby"
Happens to me all the time pulling down the road. Sometimes my wife is with me and she brings me out of my little world when she says "I love you more" I just leave it at that.

 

The difference between 3.73's and 4.88's will give you almost a 1000 RPM difference at the motor, at cruising speeds. While it's possible to see an increase in mileage with this gear change, it's dependent upon the drivers ability to select the correct transmission gear during operation with the shorter gears. If he's consistently running well under peak torque, his MPG is reduced because he's not letting the motor run in a more efficient RPM range.

I'm calling BS on the 50% improvement. If that were the case, every V-10 with 35's would have 4.88's.

 

That's funny..

 

Did you see the quote your friend had? When you could get a new factory long block, it would cost you $12K USD. Install is about $2000 with incidentals. Now you can get high quality used or rebuilt in the $3K-$6K range, plus R&R. That's if you need a whole motor. Catastrophic 6.0 engine failures are very rare.

 

It was a catastrophic failure and of course a long way from a shop. He had the option of dumping it, putting in an engine from a auto-wrecker or going new. He ended up going new, and then things like the turbo didn't fit the new engine etc. By the time all was said and done the bill was just over 25K. This is up in a small town in Northern Saskatchewan in the middle of no where. I had suggested to put the used engine in and trade it in on a new truck. His truck now has just over 400,000 km on it. The first engine blew at 217,000 km. It is an 04.

Edit: BTW at first he was told it "should" be around 17k or 18k. It ended up much higher. I don't know all of what went on.

 

Very rare indeed. Same with 6.4's

You know what the problem is with this thread? I wouldn't be surprised if PSD's are 10 x more popular than a V10 , so we can easily find problems with them, making it look like every diesel dies before it's paid for.

 

If I remember they account for something around 80% of Superduty sales.

 

So to put his experience in perspective, it's a worst case scenario. A V-10 owner that lived on a remote island could run into the same circumstances.

I'm not trying to disrespect you Super08, it's just that there are people who will see your post, read that 6.0's cost $25,000 to replace, and keep spreading the information without all the relevant details.

The 6.0's bad reputation is perpetuated by the constant spread of dis-information. A lot of the early problems have been all but resolved with hardware and software changes, and a higher level of competence gained by technicians. There's no magic solution to make them perfect, but they can be damn good when cared for properly.

I'm sure it costs me more to maintain my diesel than it does a V-10. I also expect that, as I beat the living snot out of it. Between the racing (with nitrous), pulling my 11K# toy hauler all over the country, and letting it sit for weeks at a time, I'm surprised it even keeps going. It has exceeded my reliability/performance expectations, which are based on my history with gas motors, both big and small.

 

No problem, you have to take into account everything is higher here by about 30% as a guess than down there. His was defiantly a worst case scenario. I have no idea what it cost the other guy I ran into at the dealership. The prices I have been hearing for repairs on the 6.4 are just down right nasty.

 

Thats a double worst case scenario.

 

i would have taped that 25k to the steering wheel and traded up. in reality thats probably what the dealer was expecting him to do.

 

See that's the thing. Psds make up a larger part of the SD units. You see lots of posts on the internet csuse that's where people turn to fot advice and to vent. Case in point. You see people come members hete just to ask for advice or vent. We know this cause anybody that is formiliar w/ forum sites know they have subsections to break it down. If you've browsed at all here at fte you can't miss that. You don't read people comimg in here to say hey fwiw I love my "?" It went ?k miles on it first tank of fuel. Do you know why people w/ over 300k miles aren't in here chirping on the 6.0? Do the math. Their on the road. They prolly get home hit the bed. If anyone would notice I was gone for a while. Then I got my bb torch and shoot I'm here all the time from anywhere. I've talked about cooking numbers and that's all that is going on in this thread. I made a simple statement that my buddy kevin's 02 v10 put a hole in his hood w/ a sparkplug and I was told prove it or it didn't happen.
Guys say things like they blew headgaskets several times stock even w/ studs and not so much ad a challenge. I was questioned over $13 bucks. I posted my prove and not even the 1st knowlegdement. I've said I was sorry and corrected my mistskes thst I've posted. But I don't have a hidden agenda. My truck is ready for any challengers. She's not fast but she is sexy and pull the color out of the trsiler.

 

I forgot to mention that these guys doesn't know what watts/hp is. You can't judge 2 systems based on watts/hp if the factors are different. They don't relize that yet.
I.E you can clearly see how either a 60/100 watt on 120v circuit will perform. But now change it to. A 60w 220v and a 80w 120v. How does that compare? Volts is your pps "rms" amps is your "tq". The system has changed. That 60w on the 220v tells you how the power ismoving thru that system. Prolly has more amps.
Since the gasser is making 35 more hp at 1 1/2 the time and at least 25% less tq turning the rpms. You can't say oh that 6.8 is more power cause it all about the hp. Wrong.