Do they? I thought they where the same. Really I thought everything minus whst the engine needs was the same between the psd and gassers.

 

Ford in 2012 is going to vaccum brake booster for both Diesel and gas.

 

Never called anybody liar. I just presented verifiable numbers different than your quoted numbers. You drew your own conclusions.

That goes way beyond the fun of calling each other "diesel stinker" or "gas fumes inhaler"

 

1. The HPOP has had new connectors added, but they still fail. Yes I had the updated HPOP when my HPOP failed. I had it updated when they had the engine out for a oil leak.

2. I blew my heads twice with the stock tune. Both times towing the second time it had ARP studs in.

3. IH gave ford the SPEC to run the engine at. Wait, I think you made my point for me. To quote you "The warranty they wouldn't cover was due to the fact that Fords tuning was hotter than internationals". So you are saying the tune from Ford is TOO hot. Thank you for that one.
IH signed off on the HP and TQ numbers so?

4. Warranty Claims. I read that report and it is plain BULL S##T. If you know how to play with numbers you can make them show what you want. People in the business will tell you the same thing. REALLY talk to people, you know the once that use a truck to tow with and repair it. What about the class action law suite filed against ford, that ford lost on dealing with this engine.

5. Bullet Proof EGR cooler.
A. Yes it is legal, But it does not cool the exhaust as well as the stock EGR cooler. Which leads to other problems.
B. This is Not a stock part. We where talking about stock configuration.

6. I would love to talk to a person with 500 K on the motor and zero problems. What are they doing that no one else is doing????

7. I did not mention the value problems but they exist for people running too hot and value guild problems for some others.

8. Ford had to turn off the pilot injection on this motor to reduce problems. Many tuners turn this back on.

9. FCIM the location is just stupid, If fails because of heat saturation. I don't blame the electronics on this one, but who selected location.

10. My v10 has not been back to the shop for any issuse. It simply costs me less per year then the diesel.

11. My 6.0 did get better millage. Diesel fuel hold 30 percent more energy then 87 oct gas. We where talking about stock engine design, not MPG. You win on MPG!

12. I sorry I can't let someone say the 6.0 is great engine. I will not every recommend a 6.0 to anyone and I will go out of my way to inform them.


To summarize. Ford knew they had a problem. Fleet managers know the 6.0 has problems. You suggest the stock design is good then you talk about modification from the stock design. Once you change the engine from the stock design you no longer have the same engine.








What is wrong w/ the heads? It HPOP was fixed. It was redesigned. What engine to date has less warranty claims than another? 06-07 6.0l. Fords dispute with intention was because international dropped warranty on the engines. Do you know why? The warranty they wouldn't cover was due to the fact that Fords tuning was hotter than internationals. Or something like that. Look how many 6.0l that has made it to 300k- 500k miles w/ out being repaired after 100k that was repaired before it went out of warranty. You can repair the egr cooler legally and it stay fixed. Rcd and bullet proof just to name 2. I'm glad you like your v10. Hehe I do too. But your V is no more reliable than 6.0l.
I never said the 7.3 wasn't a good engine. I've never owned or driven one. I don't know if I'd like it or not. What's the point. Who said the 7.3 was a bad engine?
You every time someone says that the 6.0 is junk and can't be fixed or gets sucky milage. Will leave you on the side of the ride every 30k miles and will get out pulled by a 5.4 or 6.8l you dang right I'm going to step in. Everytime sometime tells me I'm wrong about what I pay to maintain my truck I'm going to speak up as well. <!-- / message -->

 

Just because ih said fords tune was too hot doesn't mean it really was. 05 and up 6.0l had more power. I don't know how they got the extra tq. But play with the numbers as you will. Look I'm not doing all the leg work. You go find 500k miled 6.0ls. Notice your number game. You took the highest number. So now I assume your aight w/ 300 and 400 mile 6.0ls. I didn't say they hadn't ever been repairer. I said had trouble after being repaired. Big difference here. Fwiw I have a brick mason laying brick at my house that has an 05 with 472k miles on it. Swears up and down never been in the shop. Had an 03 thst ford bought back and he bought an 04 that had hpop problem he traded it for his 05. I don't know why he'd cuss his 03 and 04 then lie about his 05. I know several farmers w/ 05s and up with 200k miles that never has had a problem. Like I said I'm not doing all the leg work. Yall can prove me wrong. My truck isn't going anywhere so I'm going to post milage update on every 100k for now on.
How is the bullet proof not stock configurtion? I looked into it and it sured seemed to be to oem specs. Looks like used different materials and better weld designs but, but works as was designed. Still legal. And its fixed.
Sorry that your experence was so bad. But your one in a whole bunch of an experence that's now history and will remain there. Yes my 6.0l is great. I'll put herbright w/ any yall at any task and your going to catch hell winding her. She loves to work. Check this out. She don't cost me nothing a year. We go dutch. She pays her own way.
So you thinking about getting a 6.2l SD? My wife really enjoys hers and the truck is great. I think it maintains it's powerband alittle better than the 6.8l. My buddy kevin also seems to think so. We let him drive it around and he sees a difference. Kinda looking forward to this weekend we're going to go me some metal for my new barn and he's going do the driving to see what he thinks. Things go good he'll be in his own Monday. Well he'll order it. They didn't have one today on the lot w/ 4:30 gears. I think he'll impressed.

 

i have a 06 6.0 with a little over 200x miles and repairs cost me 250 dollars since 07. 125 of that was replacing a cracked degas tank (which i take blame for) and new oil filter cap (because i used wix filters, another fault of mine). so in my case a 6.0 is a very reliable engine.

 

What's up w/ the wix filter?

 

it will cause your oil in your filter to drain back to the crankcase. i didn't believe it myself till my mech tried to check for high pressure oil leak and you could hear the oil filter leaking by. i now only use ford or o reillys filter. (same exact filter as ford but 10 dollars less)

 

My 2004 f350 has the dreaded 03 6.0 In it. I have had this truck for the last 45k miles. All of which I put on since 04/10. So far my only complaint has been the truck itself. Ball joints, hub assembly's, rear axle seals, brake calipers, broken leaf springs. But all I've done to the motor was change 1 injector. And change all my fluids. In my case the 6.0 gets 16-20mpg and has a ton of power and is reliable. I also manage a fleet of 8 6.0's for a landscapeing company. We beat the crap outta these trucks. They tow 8k everyday in the summer and plow hard in the winter. And all of them have over 130k at least with only things like brakes and tires done. The 6.0 has been the best motor I've owned to date!

 

Really? No expenses? You might want to check that, and recheck. I think you might have made a large clerical and service schedule error.

You might think us v10 owners have made a bad decision now, but when that diesel breaks and then inturn breaks your bank when youre out of warranty, you'll be met with a hefty decision. Repair the pile for $$$$$ or rid yourself of it and come out barely afloat. I know three psd owners in that exact situation right now. Not only are parts expensive, the labor is crazy too if you don't fix it yourself as most won't.

Funny part about this post is that as I'm sitting here at this campground typing on my iPad, there is a psd owner 1 row down from me trying to figure out why his 06 6.0 truck is blowing white smoke and cant tow his 37'+ trailer without in his own words "chugging" ( yes, us v10 owners will lend a hand to a psd owner in need). I'm 100% sure he has a blown head gasket but he's convinced that it's bad fuel.......

I think to myself that I'm glad that my 12 year old truck (produced 08/98) with 188,700 miles has never caused my famiy to lose a single bit of vacation due to mechanical failures that can plague a trip. Actually it's never failed me at all, never! I put gas and oil in it and it returns with getting me, my junk and my family here there and everywhere. I actually just upgraded the gearing from 3.73 to 4.88 to ensure that my trans wont have a problem in the future when I get that 38' fifth wheel next year. What happened after the install? I got 50% better mpg unloaded. That cost me $630. Wow, I'm still way under the $6k initial cost of a diesel..... And getting comparable mileage to some now. 13 mpg unloaded and looking like 8.8 with a 10k TT right now. That alone rivals 6.4 mpg and with .30-.80 less per gallon fuel cost, why wouldnt anyone make the decision to go to gas? Appropriately geared, a v10 will prove to be quite the competitor to the diesel engined light truck.

 

If he's blowing white smoke. 99.9% of the time on a 06 his egr cooler has failed. On the 6.0 white smoke means egr cooler or unburnt fuel. If its surging or bucking more then likely he's got a injector out.

 

Verifiable numbers? Verified how? By anonymous posters on a website?

When you say "make numbers up", that means lying. I never made any numbers up.

Talk to someone who has had their Hydro-Boost fail. Or better yet, try to steer with your foot on the brake

 

P-nut, your "100%" diagnosis of your neighbors truck is as wrong as your MPG calculations.

 

Diesel has a hydro booster and gassers have a vacuum booster. When I was flushing my power steering/booster fluid I thought all the trucks had the hydro booster.

 

While his diagnosis might be wrong, why are his MPG calculations incorrect?

I see a lot of this in this thread. Lots of people just can't believe it, so they automatically assume the person has done the math or something else wrong.