Funny thing is that's the impression you gave me about yourself.

 

Haven't seen a ranger do this: YouTube - ‪7.3 Powerstroke Sled Pull---Full Pull‬‏

 

it has to be heavily modified, but there is at least 1 video out there of a ranger sledpull.

 

Yup, here it is: YouTube - ‪2002 Ford Ranger in a truck pull‬‏

 

what exactly is trying to be proved here?
What a truck can pull is generally not only limited to weight, but also traction, and load balance.

 

Wow! Look how slowly the sled opertatot raised the plate. Very cool video none the less.

I guess I'm gonna leave this thread now. Seems like any useful info is gonna be slanted to meet the poster's views.

 

We all need to take a step back, and stop the bickering and insults.

A few key points that have been mentioned here, and they need to be listed:

1) Maintenance costs of the PSD can (and do) outweigh it's benefits, when compared to occasional towing heavy with the V10 and higher fuel consumption.

2) Longevity as mentioned for both the PSD and V10, there are many examples of V10's living long productive lives worked hard, going over 200K miles, all the way to 300K and beyond. Meanwhile, 7.3's seem to last forever. However, I'd love to see specific examples of PSDs (7.3, 6.0, 6.4) that have had a minimum of unplanned maintenance in 300K miles.

And when I say unplanned, it can be things like the infamous 7.3 CPS leaving you on the side of the road, which IS catastrophic in terms of making money or leaving you and your family w/the TT on the side of a highway with no rescue in sight. Or, blowing a plug on a V10 - which by the way, doesn't leave you stranded on the side of the highway, it's just noisy. Or broken exhaust studs. Or blowing the intercooler tube off the turbo and limping without a turbo. Big or small $'s, anything that stops you in your tracks while making money or traveling with the family is HUGE.

3) Fuel economy. Diesel hands-down. Just not as big a difference as many would make it to be, especially when left stock.

 

You were implying that gas engine in truck makes sense for owners who don't drive a lot and don't tow. I proved you wrong.
Gas engine is only cheaper to buy, but will ALWAYS cost you more in total use when you calculate reselling value.

 

Good point,

However I don't race around with trailers or loads, I just drive normal. I could easily do what I do with a 7.3 IDI. Not because it is the power monster of the pack, but it drives nice with weight on it.

Now that there's 400 HP diesel pick-ups, everyone seems to think they need that to get a job done... I'm not such a thinker.

I like my diesel cause I can put whatever trailer I want on it, and it hums down the highway in cruise without shifting all over. I could'nt care less if it redlined at 2500 RPM's as long as it had the same TQ down low. I don't race up hills trying to see if I can go faster than another truck etc.

IMHO ford should have used navistar's tuning for the international engines used in the fords, **** on the power race between brands.

I get a kick out of people fighting over diesel and other engine outputs, using peak RPM as the arguing point, like who really drives a truck like that? Its all about the TQ !

 

I didn't imply anything, not going to waste time arguing either. Can't see where you proved anything either. Maybe have a look at the mods post.

 

Resale value is not my concern. I don't plan on selling my truck until it's a pile of rust in the driveway

If you take my 2001 V10, F250 XLT, Supercab, 4x4, with 39,000 miles (which it is) from nada.com:

$13,175 clean retail, $10,475 clean trade-in, with the V10 adding $200 or $175 to that price, respectively.

Now take the exact same truck with the PSD:

$16,775 clean retail, $13,700 clean trade-in. Diesel is shown as adding $3,800 to clean retail price, $3,400 to clean trade in price.

Not sure why the difference is only $3600 when they say the turbo diesel option adds $3800 though. But let's use the $3,800 difference anyway.

Let's say at a reasonable time in the past, I've spent anywhere from $2.99 to $3.99 for a gallon of gas. AND even though I know this is not true, let's leave diesel at the same price as gas, which it is NOT, being that it's at 93 octane prices for the past 5 years+. But again, let's leave the price at the same, and call it $2.99/gal which is on the low end of what I've paid for gas over the past 10 years.

At 2.99/gal, and getting around 10MPGs average (again, just throwing a number out there, the average of what I get between highway and city, and it's the mileage I get now on my daily commute to/from work).

So, 39,000 miles, at 10MPG, at $2.99/gal equals $11,661 in gas I've spent. (wow, looking at that number is shocking in a way).

Let's also say that the diesel will get 50% better MPGs, putting it at 15MPG. Not sure if this is true, it is the general consensus from what I see people saying. 15MPG in mixed driving is about right, given MY truck and configuration.

So, fuel used over a 39K mile period, with diesel at the same price as 87 octane (which it is NOT), 39,000 miles, at 15MPG, at $2.99/gal equals $7,774.

39K miles, gas=$11,661, diesel=$7,774 - that's a difference of $3887.

Add $3887 in fuel savings, and $3800 resale increase, and the diesel would net me $7,687 in savings.

Now, my truck retailed around $32,000 brand-new. A diesel at the time was around $38,000 or so, if I remember correctly. Let's figure out what a 6% loan for 5 years would do in terms of payments.

My $32,000 vehicle costs me $37,118.98 in payments
A $38,000 vehicle costs me $44,078.79 in payments

A total of $6,959.81 in difference in loan payments.

So, either a $6K difference in MSRP or a $6900 difference in loan payments.

Let's use the lower of the two, $6K, even though it would have cost me another $900 or so on the loan for the diesel.

So, from the resale and fuel savings of $7,687, let's subtract the difference in MSRP of $6K. That leaves me $1,687 difference in total money outlay. - FOR ME in my circumstances

Now, of course, if I put a lot of miles on the truck, that fuel savings would be more. MUCH more.

At 200K miles, the difference in fuel costs is $19,933. That's a lot of money over the course of 10 years. It works out to an average of saving $166 per month. At only 39K miles, it's only $32.39 per month in fuel savings.

Now add in regular maintenance that has already been computed earlier in this thread, and that big difference starts to shrink again. At some point, probably around 100K miles, the difference will reduce to zero.

Which is what most people have been saying - the cost of the diesel does NOT justify itself when you don't put a lot of miles on the truck.

Add to that that the V10 WILL do the job of the diesel pulling heavy, maybe not as fast, but it WILL do it. Completion of the job at hand is what counts, not how fast you go over the top of the mountain.

So back to what you just posted:

Not true. Flat-out not true.

 

I'm starting to think this is an argument that will never end.

What's right for one man isn't necessarily right for another.

 

That was exactly my point. They both have a purpose and you buy what you feel fits you the best.

 

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner......and it only took slightly more that 11,500 posts to get here.

 

Now look what ya done......


We'll have to start all over now.