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Old May 24, 2011 | 08:58 PM
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If you really look at the video, you see that the F250 is just throwing slush out the back spinning one tire. The semi basically drove out on its own. This could have been done with a Ranger.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PorchFarms
claiming a v 10 can do what a diesel can do is not only wrong, but ignorant
Speaking of ignorance.......
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
Think about this and define exactly how you determined this.
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You think about it and tell us why it doesn't.
The reason I say it does is because it has more tq left over to pull from and thru the tight spots. That in no implies that the 6.8l doesn't have enough power to do the job. The 6.8 is the chainsaw and the psd is the stump puller.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
So my personal experience with Triton gas engines and Powerstrokes that tells me that the Powertroke has a WAY easier time pulling the same load is ignorant? I guess I should stay away from empirical evidence next time and just go by what people post on the internets.
What empirical evidence? Diesel owners B.S. they flood forums with????
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
You think about it and tell us why it doesn't.
The reason I say it does is because it has more tq left over to pull from and thru the tight spots. That in no implies that the 6.8l doesn't have enough power to do the job. The 6.8 is the chainsaw and the psd is the stump puller.
And most PSDs end up being a boat anchor in the end.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by p-nut
Speaking of ignorance.......
wow of all people to call ignorant, you were the one who didn't understand about the difference in air filters on the 2 motors but claimed to own both at one time. You also was happy your truck got 12 mpg towing 10k. Now a v10 can tow trailers up to 15k decent but go over that and a diesel will beat it everytime. Heres a good test for your mighty v 10, load you a trailer with 20k [not counting trailer weight], then hop in your truck and pull your shifter to 3rd [that way it will stay in 3rd] and try to take off. you will see where a diesel's torque beats v 10 hp. If you want some real fun put you a 4x6 block in front of you front wheels. do that then come back and tell me what i said was wrong.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by p-nut
And most PSDs end up being a boat anchor in the end.
I don't know how you can believe this statement. There are so many more 7.3s in the field working hard everyday with tons of miles. Not very many v10s in the same situation.

Heck. Just look at it this way. You say you got 100k miles on your v10 people tend to think it's time for a new truck. A psd has 100k on it and it's just broken in.

Have you ever worked a psd vs a v10? What kind of load? If you are pulling over 16k gross the psd makes life easier. Under 16k is personal preference IMHO.

The downsides of psds is the cost of maintenance.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PorchFarms
wow of all people to call ignorant, you were the one who didn't understand about the difference in air filters on the 2 motors but claimed to own both at one time. You also was happy your truck got 12 mpg towing 10k. Now a v10 can tow trailers up to 15k decent but go over that and a diesel will beat it everytime. Heres a good test for your mighty v 10, load you a trailer with 20k [not counting trailer weight], then hop in your truck and pull your shifter to 3rd [that way it will stay in 3rd] and try to take off. you will see where a diesel's torque beats v 10 hp. If you want some real fun put you a 4x6 block in front of you front wheels. do that then come back and tell me what i said was wrong.
Never said 12mpg towing 10k. I also guarantee you that your diesel isn't getting 12mpg towing 10k either....

Never said I didn't know the difference between the filters.

I have owned both gas and diesel f-350s but not both at the same time which I never said either.

You obviosly havent run into the fact that the little go/no go guage on your precious diesel air filter housing can be wrong and read that it's flowing when it isn't.

You shift your junk into 3rd and pull your weight and see how long your trans lasts. Thats just fools play.

You should get your crap straight before you spout off like some kind of pimpled blabbering teenager. Makes you look, well.......
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
Brother just like I said. The 6.8l has no equal in the gas world. Unless I messed something. The 8.1 was only ran from 01 to 06. Which then was replaced by the 6.0. Which has more power than it. The 8.1's best year was 01 for hp @340 then the rest of the yrs was 320-330 hp. Tq was 445.
The 6.8l ran for what 14 yrs or so? Its seen 365 hp and 450 ftlbs of tq. Just like I said no equal.no to mention it does it 1.3 liters less in displacement.
The V10 is in its 15th model year and is still in prodution.
If you mean the F250-F350 pick up only, it had a 13 model year run.

Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
Um, PSD all the way having driven both. Maybe for a dedicated plow vehicle or something that you offroad all the time get the V10 but for anything else it isn't even close. Nothing like having a huge trailer hooked up to the back of a PSD Super Duty and the truck literally not caring at all. Can't say the same with a gas engine.
They are both built to do it and neither one cares. Have you had a real load with a V10?

Originally Posted by PorchFarms
claiming a v 10 can do what a diesel can do is not only wrong, but ignorant
What can a Diesel do that a V10 engine can't?

Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Than there are things V10 will do and there is no way diesel can.
Don't think you will get diesel making 5 mpg on highway no matter what
The worst I have had is 7 MPGs. Thats at 27,000 gross in hills.
Every road through the area has tons of stop lights, many of them on hills.


Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
So my personal experience with Triton gas engines and Powerstrokes that tells me that the Powertroke has a WAY easier time pulling the same load is ignorant? I guess I should stay away from empirical evidence next time and just go by what people post on the internets.
How do you define "easier"?



Originally Posted by william_04_x
Power Strokes don't spit out spark plugs when they're upset.
Originally Posted by parkland
Even non-turbo diesels usually had much more torque than gasoline engines, so they should still be able to remain in the lower RPM's longer.

If there were a v10 6.8 liter N/A diesel, I'm confident the shifting would be less needed than with the gas v10.
My NA 7.3 has the most torque of any Ford used at 335 FT lbs. It makes less torque at every RPM than the same year 460.

Originally Posted by william_04_x
No it doesn't mean it's working harder, just spinning faster, contributing to wear.
The same way that tons of boost and a high CR makes yours wear.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:36 PM
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Time to tone things down guys.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jkidd_39
You say you got 100k miles on your v10 people tend to think it's time for a new truck.
Well, a lot of diesel people seem to think that. But the people that have put three times that on their modulars (V8's and V10's) aren't convinced.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by David N.
Well, a lot of diesel people seem to think that. But the people that have put three times that on their modulars (V8's and V10's) aren't convinced.
Hmmm. I am a diesel guy thru and thru. What kinda life span are these v10s seeing? As a constant work rig??
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jkidd_39
I don't know how you can believe this statement. There are so many more 7.3s in the field working hard everyday with tons of miles. Not very many v10s in the same situation.

Heck. Just look at it this way. You say you got 100k miles on your v10 people tend to think it's time for a new truck. A psd has 100k on it and it's just broken in.

Have you ever worked a psd vs a v10? What kind of load? If you are pulling over 16k gross the psd makes life easier. Under 16k is personal preference IMHO.

The downsides of psds is the cost of maintenance.
1. I can believe it because PSD owners spout garbage about gas trucks all day long and have no clue as to what they are talking about 90% of the time, just like the second part of your statement. Uneducated and just pointless. You must understand that when the 7.3 was in production, the V10 accounted for a very small portion of superduty production. Just finding one was and still is a rare occurance since ford has pushed diesel sales since the get-go. When my 6.0 barfed its last engine and I was finally rid of it, I jumped on the only V10 option I could find at the time.

2. My truck is approaching 200k and its no where near being ready to be replaced. That 100k theory is left over from the '40s and '50s when engines in cars weren't filtered as much as cars today. They ran dirty and contributed to engines failing in under 100k. The thought that at 100k miles that ANY properly maintained gas engine is no where close to being worn out. I've seen 4.6L engines with over 450k that still have cross hatch marks in the cylinders. If you think that at 100k your psd is just broken in, you're dead wrong.

3. The question is, have YOU? Most diesel owners have NEVER owned a properly equipped gas engined super duty. Some have driven V10s with the garbage 3.73 gear ratio just to be disappointed with it. I've owned both, and really I can be honest that the diesel can tow heavier loads easier but will cost you more in the end. Now, with my gas engined truck having the appropriate gearing, I'm sure I could pull the same load with no problem and just as well as the diesel could. Most PSD/gas owners won't pull 16k anyway.

4. You failed to mention the other downsides. The high cost of fuel and the greatly inflated buy in price of a PSD.

I'm sorry, I just hate diesels. Mine spent more time on the side of the road than getting me where I needed to go. Ford has ruined that for me and I'll never go back no matter what the manufacturer. (unless the f-350 gets cummins power then its on.)
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 10:05 PM
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[QUOTE=p-nut;10382382]Never said 12mpg towing 10k. I also guarantee you that your diesel isn't getting 12mpg towing 10k either....

Never said I didn't know the difference between the filters.

I have owned both gas and diesel f-350s but not both at the same time which I never said either.



You shift your junk into 3rd and pull your weight and see how long your trans lasts.

1: off my truck gets about 14 towing 10k
2: you didn't understand why a 6.8 needed more air filters over x miles compared to a 6.0. a 6.0 filter can hold about 30 pounds of dirt. i am on my second filter in 200x miles plus i take it out to check it regularly. never trusted a filter gauge. 3: in the new member thread you talked about how you owned your v 10 since new but also claimed to own a 04 diesel. how is that possible? you just said not at same time. 4. no i don't do that all the time but i do sometimes when i don't want my wheels spinning. also i don't flush my trans or change its filters and it still shifts like new.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Hey peanut, diesel isn't more expensive everywhere, here it is running right about $.12 a liter less then regular gasoline. All your posts are just as ignorant as the diesel guys saying gas sucks. It's your preference since you had a bad experience it sounds like, I love my 6.0 and wouldn't trade it for anything yet, although it is getting old and I would like a newer truck eventually, I will probably go with a 6.4, why, because I like the smell of the exhaust and the sound of the motor. I only put on roughly 700 km's a week, but I would never buy a V10 truck, just my preference.
 
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