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Old May 20, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by parkland
The only problems I'm aware of on the 6.0 is the head bolts.

Injector / fuel system failure, Variable vane turbo issues, I attribute to the fact that people we're used to the older trucks.

The 7.3 didn't have all the emission junk on it, thus there we're fewer problems. There were owners that bought these for the mileage, or cause they liked diesels. The newer trucks are not as accommodating.

Again, this is a good reason to consider a v10 if you don't really need a diesel.
6.0L-Injectors, Head bolts, Gaskets, FICM's, HPOP's.
6.4L-Radiators, Rocker Arms, HPFP's, and more yet to be seen.
I know several Duramax owners that do not have any problems like this. And those engines have the same emissions "crap" on them as the 6.0L and 6.4L. Everyone that I know that has had a 6.0L has had at least one of the items listed above repaired/replaced(most have had multiples of those items replaced). Some of those 6.0L owners are now Duramax owners,and are happy as they can be.
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Old May 20, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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6.2 verus 6.8

When you say loaded, you get 13 MPG. Is that Pulling a trailer?
If so that sound great!

I have hopes for the new 6.2
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
6.0L-Injectors, Head bolts, Gaskets, FICM's, HPOP's.
6.4L-Radiators, Rocker Arms, HPFP's, and more yet to be seen.
I know several Duramax owners that do not have any problems like this. And those engines have the same emissions "crap" on them as the 6.0L and 6.4L. Everyone that I know that has had a 6.0L has had at least one of the items listed above repaired/replaced(most have had multiples of those items replaced). Some of those 6.0L owners are now Duramax owners,and are happy as they can be.
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The "only" routine Duramax problem is snapping cranks.... on 100% stock trucks.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by plgebbia
The "only" routine Duramax problem is snapping cranks.... on 100% stock trucks.
And of all of the persons I know that have one...I have yet to see that-and some of those trucks are tuned to make way more power than stock..
Yet, I've seen repetitive problems like I listed already with the 6.0L's.
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Old May 20, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
6.0L-Injectors, Head bolts, Gaskets, FICM's, HPOP's.
6.4L-Radiators, Rocker Arms, HPFP's, and more yet to be seen.
I know several Duramax owners that do not have any problems like this. And those engines have the same emissions "crap" on thhem as the 6.0L and 6.4L. Everyone that I know that has had a 6.0L has had at least one of the items listed above repaired/replaced(most have had multiples of those items replaced). Some of those 6.0L owners are now Duramax owners,and are happy as they can be.
JL
Brother you just have enough info to be dangerious. Headbolts under stock condictions doesn't fail. How many ficms was user or bad dianostics related? Heck turbos and other stuff for that matter. I know a guy that had turbos put on that turned not to be the problem. Come to find out it wss a stuck egr valve. You want mean to post my oasis report to show you how dependable aan 04 6.0l is? How bout 9 other 6.0l?
You can nickle and dime any engine to death.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by plgebbia
The "only" routine Duramax problem is snapping cranks.... on 100% stock trucks.
They are also bad for injector and fuel system problems. They also have the worst transmissions. I've spoken with several large outfits that run all 3 brands, and the DMAX/ Allison is a good truck for light duty and daily driving, but they are not as tough as a ford.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by donovan
When you say loaded, you get 13 MPG. Is that Pulling a trailer?
If so that sound great!

I have hopes for the new 6.2
If you was asking me, yes that was loaded. I can't tell you how heavy cause we didn't weight. It was a 20' lifestock trailer w/ 2 tenn. Walking horses. I know the trsiler weighs 4k. I haven't weighed her truck yet. She won't let me drive it to work. Still to new lol. Na really its her work truck.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 01:33 PM
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I had a 6.0 Stock

My 6.0 was stock tune.
Head gasket, with egr cooler and value with Oil cooler, Twice
FCIM
Mutilple Oil leaks, Bed Pans
Turbo over spon and took out the heads for second time. Left me on the side of the road with my family.
Other issuse, but not worth the time.

That truck did not have short trips and towed weekly hundreds of miles. So YES THE 6.0 do have problems stock. That truck pushed me away from diesel and back into gas. I am now doing the same thing with the v10. The truck has never had given me any trouble.

Yes Diesel to get better milliage but is it worth it?

I wish I would have never purchased a 6.0 and that is my recommendation to anyone looking at one.

If the 6.7 can hold up for 5 years maybe I will get one.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
Brother you just have enough info to be dangerious. Headbolts under stock condictions doesn't fail. How many ficms was user or bad dianostics related? Heck turbos and other stuff for that matter. I know a guy that had turbos put on that turned not to be the problem. Come to find out it wss a stuck egr valve. You want mean to post my oasis report to show you how dependable aan 04 6.0l is? How bout 9 other 6.0l?
You can nickle and dime any engine to death.
YOU have a good 6.0L. There are some out there.
Post your Oasis-it doesn't really mean anything to me. My experience does,and more than 90% of the 6.0L's I've had direct experience with have had those problems.There's always gonna be the exceptional "engineering example" of an engine that will take just about anything that you can throw at it and keep on running-I've seen a few 6.0L's like that, and those guys, like yourself, cannot comprehend that the 6.0L is as bad as it is in most cases. I've seen them running around with 200+hp tunes on them towing goosenecks with 10K+ lbs of assorted loads for hundreds of thousands of miles, and never have a problem. On the other had I've seen them with less than 30K miles-BONE STOCK and without any heavy towing, and have gone through a set of head gaskets, an HPOP, and a turbocharger. I'm sure there were a few people that thought the 1.6/1.9/2.0L CVH used in the small Ford/Mercury cars was a great 4-cylinder engine. Ask anybody about them that's done any mechanic work over the years and they all know the cylinder heads are crack prone,and terribly sensitive to temperature spikes. I had one in a Mercury Lynx. It ran great when the head wasn't cracked. It's gone and I don't miss changing the cylinder head on it at all. It wasn't hard, but it wasn't cheap either.
JL
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
We already establish that diesel doesn't have additional expenses, that will not be refunded at the time of sale.
Now where did I leave that emoticon of a guy laughing so hard he crapped himself? ... Aw, can't find it...

Originally Posted by Kajtek1
I keep my opinion that V10 owners post here seeking excuse for their poor decision. Fact that they have to make up the numbers to even have the excuses speaks for itself.
"Poor decision". "Make up the numbers".

It's one thing to say you disagree. It's another thing to call people liars.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
There are some that seem to think the 7.3 won't get less than that and the V10 can't break 12, and thats not the case.
My numbers - 2004 F250 XLT V10 Auto CC SB 2WD SRW 3.73LS:
10/07/2010 - 108,022 miles to 5/05/2011 - 111,898 miles. 3876 total miles / 310.3 gals 87 octane = 12.5 MPG. 50% of which was towing a 26' TrailManor @ 4800# through Ar, Mo & La.
Running unloaded in Ar., 14.5 MPG.
Running unloaded in La., 13.4 MPG.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
YOU have a good 6.0L. There are some out there.
Post your Oasis-it doesn't really mean anything to me. My experience does,and more than 90% of the 6.0L's I've had direct experience with have had those problems.There's always gonna be the exceptional "engineering example" of an engine that will take just about anything that you can throw at it and keep on running-I've seen a few 6.0L's like that, and those guys, like yourself, cannot comprehend that the 6.0L is as bad as it is in most cases. I've seen them running around with 200+hp tunes on them towing goosenecks with 10K+ lbs of assorted loads for hundreds of thousands of miles, and never have a problem. On the other had I've seen them with less than 30K miles-BONE STOCK and without any heavy towing, and have gone through a set of head gaskets, an HPOP, and a turbocharger. I'm sure there were a few people that thought the 1.6/1.9/2.0L CVH used in the small Ford/Mercury cars was a great 4-cylinder engine. Ask anybody about them that's done any mechanic work over the years and they all know the cylinder heads are crack prone,and terribly sensitive to temperature spikes. I had one in a Mercury Lynx. It ran great when the head wasn't cracked. It's gone and I don't miss changing the cylinder head on it at all. It wasn't hard, but it wasn't cheap either.
JL
No, you will ever hear me say that the 6.0 didn't have problems. What you hear me say the problems where fixed or can be fixed that was the disgn flaws.
My truck had problems. Dude that owned it before me tuned it and raised the heads. I bought the truck w/ 30k miles w/ new heads for $30k. That was the same price of an 04 w/ 5.4 if you could find one with that little miles. 2 yrs later It had the egr/oil cooler replaced. But I had been complaining about lost coolant the whole time. It never stranded me. My 1st trip complaining they said it was over filled so they flushed the system and remarked the degas bottle and replaced an injector. Go figure. I spent $100 in repairs over 120k miles. Not bad. Yall keep throwing around 6.0l problems as if there is no cure and never mention that a lot of it was techs throwing parts at it. A lot of things played part in the 6.0l troubles. 1 thing lead to another.
The 7.3l psd had a rough start also. But let's not tslk about that.
Headbolts in stock form don't just fsil unless there was something wrong w/ them or instslled wrong. Now if a turbo over boost or whatever and left the heads I don't consider that a headbolt problem. I agree the the tty head bolt
Wasn't a bright idea.
I can tell you of a lot of 5.4 and 6.8s that's had cam phasers, cams, rings, bearings, within 300k. Good engines as they are they are not bullet proof. Nor do they last forever. I like em and that's that. When it comes to work I want my psd. I've worked gassers all my life until 06. That doesn't mean I don't think a gas engine can't work as good. If I wanted a chevy or dodge I would have gotten it. No one forced me to buy Ford. I'm not going to defend my choice for buying a ford nor am I going to appoligize. I work my ford everyday I don't have time to keep w/ chevy's problem.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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6.0 still have problem after being fixed.

The heads are still a problem and so is the HPOP and the FCIM. regardless of the fixes applied

The only fix I did not do was the EGR delete because it is violation federal law. I tow and talk to people at RV parks and none of the 6.0 owners have trouble free truck, WHY?? I don't count the people that have had the truck less then a year or do not tow regular often.

I have seen 6.0 drive as Daile drivers and they seem to have less problems. The problem happen, just not as often.

Which engine did Ford sue International Harvester about????? What was the stated cause for the law suite? Why did Ford start development on their own engine???

COME ON the 6.0 as whole is terrible design. You can make it better but you can not fix the design flaws and stay legal.


7.3 is a great engine, WISH I had one.
6.4 Less problems then with the 6.0 when talking to people and Diesel Mechanics.
6.7 Seems to be great.

YES my v10 loves GAS... But it does the job and never leaves me on the side of the road.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 04:18 PM
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I love this thread!

PSD have better brake boosters as well.
 
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Old May 20, 2011 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by donovan
The heads are still a problem and so is the HPOP and the FCIM. regardless of the fixes applied

The only fix I did not do was the EGR delete because it is violation federal law. I tow and talk to people at RV parks and none of the 6.0 owners have trouble free truck, WHY?? I don't count the people that have had the truck less then a year or do not tow regular often.

I have seen 6.0 drive as Daile drivers and they seem to have less problems. The problem happen, just not as often.

Which engine did Ford sue International Harvester about????? What was the stated cause for the law suite? Why did Ford start development on their own engine???

COME ON the 6.0 as whole is terrible design. You can make it better but you can not fix the design flaws and stay legal.


7.3 is a great engine, WISH I had one.
6.4 Less problems then with the 6.0 when talking to people and Diesel Mechanics.
6.7 Seems to be great.

YES my v10 loves GAS... But it does the job and never leaves me on the side of the road.
What is wrong w/ the heads? It hpop was fixed. It was redisgned. What engine to date has less warranty claims than anyother? 06-07 6.0l. Fords dispute with internation was because international dropped warranty on the engines. Do you know why? The warranty they wouldn't cover was due to the fact that Fords tuneing was hotter than internationals. Or something like that. Look how many 6.0l that has made it to 300k- 500k miles w/ out being repaired after 100k that was repaired before it went out of warranty. You can repair the egr cooler legally and it stay fixed. Rcd and bullet proof just to name 2. I'm glad you like your v10. Hehe I do too. But your v10 is no more reliable than 6.0l.
I never said the 7.3 wasn't a good engine. I've never owned or driven one. I don't know if I'd like it or not. What's the point. Who said the 7.3 was a bad engine?
You every time someone says that the 6.0 is junk and can't be fixed or gets sucky milage. Will leave you on the side of the ride every 30k miles and will get out pulled by a 5.4 or 6.8l you dang right I'm going to step in. Everytime sometime tells me I'm wrong about what I pay to maintain my truck I'm going to speak up as well.
 
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