I'm not trying to read into it any more then what the original poster is stating or what is in his sig
"My V10 will out pull your PSD any day of the week,
If its close to stock and of the same age as my V10."<!-- / sig -->

 

If after over 10,000 post you V10 guys don't get it I guess you never will. I will continue to drive a diesel for pulling heavy loads, because unlike y'all we (diesel owners) do get it.

Go ahead and put that supercharger on the the V10. It will be a sick ride with 750HP+. Just don't expect to keep up with me and my 500HP 1000TQ diesel.

Yes the potential is there to make power in the V10 but the diesel is where it's at for towing. Look at the new Ford diesel trucks 400HP 800TQ as a baseline!

I think I will retire from this tread as I have made a valid argument that others would agree. This thread was created for a only because deep down you know you just want a diesel.

 

I've said it before, and Art said it earlier, it boils down to what you want. Both are great engines. Both offer something to buyers. So, drive what you want, and be happy. No need to try to prove what you have is better than what the other guy has. As long as you're happy with what you've got, that's all that counts in the end.

 

I'm not the one posting that my Gas Ford can out pull any Diesel Ford. I have nothing to prove. The proof in in the the pudding.

 

I will be heading through Texas Next year some time Bill is more then welcome to try and out pull my truck.... It wont be stock, I'm also guessing it was be a powerstroke either though

 

Now this one is easy! The V10 is only available in the F450+ trucks for 2011. The 6.7L scorpion is a detuned version in these trucks that only makes 300HP/650ft-lbs.

This is because the 6.7L engine is rated differently for a different emissions profile above 14,000 lbs, which is one of the reasons the power is so much lower.

The V10 meets these requirements without a decrease in power. A 362 HP V10 would SPANK a 300 HP 6.7L truck.

www.fleet.ford.com

 

Well... technically speaking a machine where 70% of fuel energy goes into the heat is a heater

 

To that, I say....

What good is HP when you can't get the load moving in the first place? (think hills)

 

Who knows of anyone who couldn't make it up a hill with a V10?

You guys remember this one?:

YouTube - M2U00072.MPG

From a dead start. With 11,000 lbs of load. On a ~22% grade. With an ancient, 2V V10. On edit: With 3.73s!!!

Any questions?

 

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Someone PLEASE give him his medicine, 62HP does not beat 203TQ. Plus you have a 5 speed as apposed to a 6 speed.

Line them up with the same 3.73 or 4.30, same load and I am willing to bet a large amount of money the the 6.7 wins hands down.

 

We have bridges here with longer grades then that.

 

I know that the V10 can do it, but as Bill pointed out earlier in the this thread, something else will break before we reach the point in which the engines cannot move a load.

I was more messing with the newbies than anything.....


Congrats on 4000 posts!! cool.....

 

All well and good but....tell me that if Bill's truck hadn't puked you guys would not have been crowing. "Look at that! Look at this poor abused BEAT TO DEATH V10 and it STILL held up!" Tell me you guys wouldn't have been crowing in that situation. But since it did puke you're using it as an excuse.

 

Yeah, you were simply pointing out the other side to David's post, which makes sense.

4,000 posts...didn't even notice!

Are you sure? Then how did that same V10 on that same day beat a 2001 7.3L truck up the same hill? The PSD was carrying 800 lbs less weight and it STILL lost!

You can read more here:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html

What does length of a grade have anything to do with getting the load moving? Did you mean steeper? Show me a bridge with more than 22% grade...

 

As I understand it it emissions didn't really have anything to do with it but rather Fords souring relationship with Navistar. Ford contracted Navistar to provide them with an engine, and Navistar subbed it out to a European design firm that had plenty of diesel experience. The name of that firm escapes me at the moment. Said firm provided Navistar with an engine they already had and were already producing, which Navistar passed on to Ford. The problems came when the 6.0 was tapped for duty (by Ford) that it wasn't really designed for.

Apparently some changes were made in order to get the engine to meet US emissions regs and this had an adverse affect on the longevity of the engine. There were some failures in fleet type service (think EM services) that resulted in lawsuits that cost Ford big money. Ford blamed Navistar, Navistar blamed contracted European company, lawsuits and counter-suits abounded and much fun was had by all.

The 6.4 was supposed to rectify the issues of the 6.0 but Ford had decided they'd had enough of the out-sourcing game and figured it was time to build their own toys and the result was the 6.7

Or so I've heard....