Gas vs PSD
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The thing to remember was this has always been a friendly get together of fellow Ford truck lovers, taking advantage if a hill and a loaded trailer to test their trucks. The only qualification you needed to have was to show up. (They let a dodge pull!) Other than the dodge breaking something, all the Ford guys, gas and diesel, did quite well. Yes, there are some guys with some heavily modded diesels that could have done a lot better, and I bet if one of them showed up, he would have pulled. But, from what I gather from the times they have done this, it has always been just a bunch of buddies getting together and having some fun testing their trucks. I hope to make it there one of these days myself. It looks like a lot of fun!!
I would have loved to see how a 2V with 4.30 and a 3V would have done.
It would have been great to see a highly tuned 7.3 make a run. Supposedly there was a guy coming that had a fire breathing 7.3 but he never showed up. Would have loved to see one on of these engines can really do.
A "fire breathing 7.3" would eat even the 6.7 for lunch. But a well tuned 99 stroke would put about 300 HP to the ground (about 600 TQ)
I’m sure a highly modded PSD 7.3 could have done better with then my V10. I’m laying down at most 8-10% over stock as far as power. I don’t have an exact number but some basic acceleration tests I done support this. Bring a 1994.5 PSD with s similar bump in power and I don’t think the results would favor the PSD vs my stock V10. However you get crazy and bump up the tuner to make crazy power and I’m sure the PSD would walk all over my V10 right up until it went boom because it didn’t have the proper supporting mods.
I would guess you have about 300 crank HP? And a tune that tweaks the trans strategy can make a large improvment in how much of that power gets to the ground.
Exactly! I don’t think anyone treated it as a competition nor would I want anyone to. It's about seeing what your truck and other can really do and to BS with other Super Duty enthusiasts.
It would have been great to see a highly tuned 7.3 make a run. Supposedly there was a guy coming that had a fire breathing 7.3 but he never showed up. Would have loved to see one on of these engines can really do.
A "fire breathing 7.3" would eat even the 6.7 for lunch. But a well tuned 99 stroke would put about 300 HP to the ground (about 600 TQ)
I’m sure a highly modded PSD 7.3 could have done better with then my V10. I’m laying down at most 8-10% over stock as far as power. I don’t have an exact number but some basic acceleration tests I done support this. Bring a 1994.5 PSD with s similar bump in power and I don’t think the results would favor the PSD vs my stock V10. However you get crazy and bump up the tuner to make crazy power and I’m sure the PSD would walk all over my V10 right up until it went boom because it didn’t have the proper supporting mods.
I would guess you have about 300 crank HP? And a tune that tweaks the trans strategy can make a large improvment in how much of that power gets to the ground.
Exactly! I don’t think anyone treated it as a competition nor would I want anyone to. It's about seeing what your truck and other can really do and to BS with other Super Duty enthusiasts.
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I find it interesting how to some it's so crucial to beat the V10 to the top of the hill by a few seconds, or a few MPHs.
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
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Art,
I think your assessment is spot on...some people just like to argue about anything and hear themselves talk...I have exercised my "block" feature on a few of them due to this thread and the ridiculous arguments.
Personally any hill I can climb at speed is a victory. With how I travel and am loaded...I haven't met a hill yet in the real world that I haven't been able to tow at speed loaded at 17,000#'s combined and that includes Vail Pass (10,600') and Loveland Pass (11,200')...with my little ole normally aspirated gasser!
I'm not sure what more I can throw at this 10+ year old designed 2V V10 with 4R100 on the mainland USA with a 9000# TT???...
Now if I were hauling a 14,000#+++ 5'r...you betcha I'd have a 6.4L or 6.7L PSD...those would be the correct tool for that job...you can keep the 6.oH thank you very much...
Joe.
I think your assessment is spot on...some people just like to argue about anything and hear themselves talk...I have exercised my "block" feature on a few of them due to this thread and the ridiculous arguments.
Personally any hill I can climb at speed is a victory. With how I travel and am loaded...I haven't met a hill yet in the real world that I haven't been able to tow at speed loaded at 17,000#'s combined and that includes Vail Pass (10,600') and Loveland Pass (11,200')...with my little ole normally aspirated gasser!
I'm not sure what more I can throw at this 10+ year old designed 2V V10 with 4R100 on the mainland USA with a 9000# TT???...
Now if I were hauling a 14,000#+++ 5'r...you betcha I'd have a 6.4L or 6.7L PSD...those would be the correct tool for that job...you can keep the 6.oH thank you very much...
Joe.
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I find it interesting how to some it's so crucial to beat the V10 to the top of the hill by a few seconds, or a few MPHs.
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
Art,
I think your assessment is spot on...some people just like to argue about anything and hear themselves talk...I have exercised my "block" feature on a few of them due to this thread and the ridiculous arguments.
Personally any hill I can climb at speed is a victory. With how I travel and am loaded...I haven't met a hill yet in the real world that I haven't been able to tow at speed loaded at 17,000#'s combined and that includes Vail Pass (10,600') and Loveland Pass (11,200')...with my little ole normally aspirated gasser!
I'm not sure what more I can throw at this 10+ year old designed 2V V10 with 4R100 on the mainland USA with a 9000# TT???...
Now if I were hauling a 14,000#+++ 5'r...you betcha I'd have a 6.4L or 6.7L PSD...those would be the correct tool for that job...you can keep the 6.oH thank you very much...
Joe.
I think your assessment is spot on...some people just like to argue about anything and hear themselves talk...I have exercised my "block" feature on a few of them due to this thread and the ridiculous arguments.
Personally any hill I can climb at speed is a victory. With how I travel and am loaded...I haven't met a hill yet in the real world that I haven't been able to tow at speed loaded at 17,000#'s combined and that includes Vail Pass (10,600') and Loveland Pass (11,200')...with my little ole normally aspirated gasser!
I'm not sure what more I can throw at this 10+ year old designed 2V V10 with 4R100 on the mainland USA with a 9000# TT???...
Now if I were hauling a 14,000#+++ 5'r...you betcha I'd have a 6.4L or 6.7L PSD...those would be the correct tool for that job...you can keep the 6.oH thank you very much...
Joe.
Honestly I would have left this thread a long time ago, but someone needs to stay and stop the "my v10 WILL out pull your PSD" craziness.
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Good part is all the companies involved with production of the 7.3L's are American companies with long histories of excellent quality.....
Just asking here, where is the V10 built? Not making a crack, really don't know....
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Thats why i qualified my statement incluuding only 7.3's, although, 6.x PSD's could be all American too.
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Im no expert but...
I've owned a F350 '04 6.0lw/ 100k miles on. Ive towed a mx trailer w/ Lance camper since new & gets 14 mpg & accelerates up hill while doing so (20 - 22 mpg highway not towing). Ive taken it off road camping many times, NO problems. All I have done is fuel filters, engine oil & filter, trans oil & filter, 1 set of tires and keep it clean. Havent even had to do brakes, belt or air filter yet and its been used hard. We desert camp all winter & take took long trips in the summer with it.
I now own a 32' class A w/ a V-10. (The wife said more room or no more desert).
I like it but if I could Id swap it out with that 6.0l in a heart beat. More maintenance, far less power & 6mpg, 40 mph up hills...
Should I continue
I now own a 32' class A w/ a V-10. (The wife said more room or no more desert).
I like it but if I could Id swap it out with that 6.0l in a heart beat. More maintenance, far less power & 6mpg, 40 mph up hills...
Should I continue
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I've owned a F350 '04 6.0lw/ 100k miles on. Ive towed a mx trailer w/ Lance camper since new & gets 14 mpg & accelerates up hill while doing so (20 - 22 mpg highway not towing). Ive taken it off road camping many times, NO problems. All I have done is fuel filters, engine oil & filter, trans oil & filter, 1 set of tires and keep it clean. Havent even had to do brakes, belt or air filter yet and its been used hard. We desert camp all winter & take took long trips in the summer with it.
I now own a 32' class A w/ a V-10. (The wife said more room or no more desert).
I like it but if I could Id swap it out with that 6.0l in a heart beat. More maintenance, far less power & 6mpg, 40 mph up hills...
Should I continue
I now own a 32' class A w/ a V-10. (The wife said more room or no more desert).
I like it but if I could Id swap it out with that 6.0l in a heart beat. More maintenance, far less power & 6mpg, 40 mph up hills...
Should I continue
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I still remember those days 20 years ago when I was driving gasoline powered motorhome.
I become highly trained in following tall semitrailers. That would allow me to drive 70 mph on flat freeway.
I always get chuckles when I read about towing on this forum. Per my observation it is me and couple other members who own F450-550 design for serious hauling.
Anyone want a challenge with me on towing 18,000 lb trailer, while having 9000 on the bed?
I didn't think so
I become highly trained in following tall semitrailers. That would allow me to drive 70 mph on flat freeway.
I always get chuckles when I read about towing on this forum. Per my observation it is me and couple other members who own F450-550 design for serious hauling.
Anyone want a challenge with me on towing 18,000 lb trailer, while having 9000 on the bed?
I didn't think so
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A V10 F550 would have no problem with that load.
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I find it interesting how to some it's so crucial to beat the V10 to the top of the hill by a few seconds, or a few MPHs.
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
What this points out is that the V10 can do the same job the PSD does, with the same weight. It might not get to the top of the hill first, it might not crest it at the same speed, but it does do it.
Meanwhile a Cummins in a Dodge blows up on the way up the hill.
I suggest to all in this thread that we have the finest trucks built, Fords.
Meanwhile, my V10 has the Ford logo all over it and most of you PSDers all have International motors.
At least the 6.7L and the V10 are true-blue all the way!
(OK, I'll shut up now)
!!!!!! BUT, Some people say there V10 is always one step ahead of us PSD guys, which is untrue P.S. we all know that a Cummins is one of the best diesels out there, he just had some issue with his. I had a guy with a 700+ HP cummins at my shop today
It won't start
I just got back from working on it, and he told me to first off change the crank and cam position sensors (if it was my decision, I would't have done this) still didn't start. shocking, right?......
It will run on ether, and I do not hear the fuel pump prime when you turn on the key, so I am thinking fuel pump or fuse. (It would not communicate with my scanner, so I think there is at least one bad fuse.)
I need to find a fuse diagram for it because the manual is missing.
BTW, 2006 F-250 XLT CC LB 4x4 Auto V10 131,000 miles.
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!!!!!! BUT, Some people say there V10 is always one step ahead of us PSD guys, which is untrue P.S. we all know that a Cummins is one of the best diesels out there, he just had some issue with his. I had a guy with a 700+ HP cummins at my shop today
It won't start
I just got back from working on it, and he told me to first off change the crank and cam position sensors (if it was my decision, I would't have done this) still didn't start. shocking, right?......
It will run on ether, and I do not hear the fuel pump prime when you turn on the key, so I am thinking fuel pump or fuse. (It would not communicate with my scanner, so I think there is at least one bad fuse.)
I need to find a fuse diagram for it because the manual is missing.
BTW, 2006 F-250 XLT CC LB 4x4 Auto V10 131,000 miles.