Gas vs PSD
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The whole arguement of the gasser using gearing to "make it compete" is on the same level as a diesel using a turbo to "make it compete". So there isn't a need for an explanation for the "longer bar" analogy.
Goes back to the argument of gassers say "take off the turbo" and the diesel guys say " to run the same gear". That's been beat to death already.
Goes back to the argument of gassers say "take off the turbo" and the diesel guys say " to run the same gear". That's been beat to death already.
The "take off the turbo" argument is just stupid. It came on my motor, it is part of the design of the motor, with out it, it would be worse than an old 7.3 idi, because it is designed to run with a turbo.
P.S. O.T. I do know from personal experience that a diesel with 1 dead cylinder will eat up a gasser with 1 dead cyl.
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Isn't this all a bit off topic?
Such conversation belongs here:
General NON-Automotive Conversation - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums
Such conversation belongs here:
General NON-Automotive Conversation - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums
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Personal judgments.
If you say "I had to use my underwear, because rest stop had no toilet paper" that is non-automotive.
But if you say "I had to shut down my Powerstroke without cooling time to run to the rest stop where I had to use my underwear" that fits perfectly into this section, doesn't it?
If you say "I had to use my underwear, because rest stop had no toilet paper" that is non-automotive.
But if you say "I had to shut down my Powerstroke without cooling time to run to the rest stop where I had to use my underwear" that fits perfectly into this section, doesn't it?
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Oh yeah, sorry about that. It was before my psd days, I was in my 96 351 F250 but I was thinking of psd's if that counts?
I do remember it was one of my newer better pair of undies though, the elastic was like brand new. I was quite upset.
I do remember it was one of my newer better pair of undies though, the elastic was like brand new. I was quite upset.
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Every model year the 7.3,6.0 and 6.4 PowerStrokes were used there was a more powerful gas engine. The only time that has not been true is the 03.5-04 trucks.
I agree. By the same idea though, you think its stupid to run the V10 with the same gears as the PSD. Right?
I agree. By the same idea though, you think its stupid to run the V10 with the same gears as the PSD. Right?
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But you know what...I think those engineers are pretty darn smart and designed an AWESOME TRUCK wrapped around all the engines...be it a PSD with 3.73's or a V10 with 4.30's...they sure know how to pull a load under all kinds of conditions. HP/Trq is only ONE freaking piece of this puzzle but if that is all you want to focus on...well...you have no real world clue.
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I'm sure if they were here, someone would be telling them how they don't know what they're talking about. Engineering schools should devote a class to preparing future engineers to be treated as the dumbest person around the rest of their life.
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I am not arguing that the v10 can do the job, but the diesel engine makes more power than the gasser. period.
The "take off the turbo" argument is just stupid. It came on my motor, it is part of the design of the motor, with out it, it would be worse than an old 7.3 idi, because it is designed to run with a turbo.
P.S. O.T. I do know from personal experience that a diesel with 1 dead cylinder will eat up a gasser with 1 dead cyl.
The "take off the turbo" argument is just stupid. It came on my motor, it is part of the design of the motor, with out it, it would be worse than an old 7.3 idi, because it is designed to run with a turbo.
P.S. O.T. I do know from personal experience that a diesel with 1 dead cylinder will eat up a gasser with 1 dead cyl.
As far as your last statement, I'll comment using the same mentality as the "my diesel came with a turbo and is designed to run with it" - Neither engine came with 1 dead cylinder nor is either engine designed to be run with 1 dead cylinder, so that point is irrelevant.
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From: Texas
So true.
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Every model year the 7.3,6.0 and 6.4 PowerStrokes were used there was a more powerful gas engine. The only time that has not been true is the 03.5-04 trucks.
Depends on how you determine "power".
They don't have more torque....
I agree. By the same idea though, you think its stupid to run the V10 with the same gears as the PSD. Right?
Depends on how you determine "power".
They don't have more torque....
I agree. By the same idea though, you think its stupid to run the V10 with the same gears as the PSD. Right?
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My point was that it was irrelevent......
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While on Mercedes forum the mentality is "trust Mercedes engineers and buy only OEM parts" this forum sounds more "what do I have to do to make my Ford running right, what mods are the best and how many aftermarket suppliers have better parts than Ford dealer?"
Just my observation.