Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

Gas vs PSD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 12:49 PM
  #10351  
plgebbia's Avatar
plgebbia
Posting Guru
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,537
Likes: 0
From: Dongola, IL
Originally Posted by Krewat
Yes, they did. I only watched the 6.7, and the V10 video.

It seemed the 6.7 definitely got it moving off the line way faster, but didn't pickup a lot of speed after it shifted out of the lower gears. Not sure if that was a throttle-control thing by the driver, or it really was that way.

However, it is interesting to see how much of a difference there was between a second-generation V10 (2-valve PI head) with the lame 4R100 4-speed tranny and 3.73 gears, against a brand-new 6.7L PSD with the 6-speed.

It was also very interesting to listen to the tranny temps between the two. The 6-speed was actually hotter after the pull than the 4R100. But then, that might have something to do with Mike/5-star's tune in the V10 changing the shifting around a lot.
So there was a tune on the V-10? If so, where is the fair comparison?

I thought this was stock to stock.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 01:22 PM
  #10352  
David N.'s Avatar
David N.
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by plgebbia
So there was a tune on the V-10? If so, where is the fair comparison?

I thought this was stock to stock.
Not all of the diesels were stock, the trucks weren't close to the same years, and there were a lot of other variations. They were pulling for fun.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:01 PM
  #10353  
krewat's Avatar
krewat
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by plgebbia
So there was a tune on the V-10? If so, where is the fair comparison?
On a 2-valve V10, there's not a huge difference between "stock" and "tuned" like there is with a diesel. However, there are shift changes made by Mike's 5-star tune that helps in the torque-converter lockup for instance.

If the V10 had a blower or a turbo on it, it might not be a "fair" comparison though
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:04 PM
  #10354  
Monster-4's Avatar
Monster-4
Logistics Pro
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 18
From: Millersburg, OH
Let's not forget that my truck is 5 to 11 model years older than the other trucks. What would you say if I compared mine to a 1989 truck?
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:10 PM
  #10355  
CampSpringsJohn's Avatar
CampSpringsJohn
Hotshot
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,069
Likes: 17
From: Melbourne, Ky
Originally Posted by Monster-4
Let's not forget that my truck is 5 to 11 model years older than the other trucks. What would you say if I compared mine to a 1989 truck?
Well, based off the sounds coming through the videos, your truck sounded much cooler than any of the rest! I'm a diesel fan, but I really like the sound of a good running engine through a good performance exhaust!

If you were to compare your truck to a 460 powered 1989 truck with headers and turbo mufflers, both would sound great!!!
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:11 PM
  #10356  
2001400ex's Avatar
2001400ex
Elder User
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 685
Likes: 0
From: Spokane, WA
Originally Posted by Monster-4
Let's not forget that my truck is 5 to 11 model years older than the other trucks. What would you say if I compared mine to a 1989 truck?
Your truck performed pretty well actually! It was quite a bit slower out the gate, but still did well.

Honestly, though, I wish we could get all these trucks on a good 6% grade for 8 miles or whatever and see which one performs better. I know that type of test is harder, to most owners, it is more relevant.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:15 PM
  #10357  
senix's Avatar
senix
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 37,379
Likes: 1,862
From: Frederick, MD
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Your truck performed pretty well actually! It was quite a bit slower out the gate, but still did well.

Honestly, though, I wish we could get all these trucks on a good 6% grade for 8 miles or whatever and see which one performs better. I know that type of test is harder, to most owners, it is more relevant.

I know of an excellant 7% grade coming out of Western MD on I68. It is a few miles long. Best I can do up that one this summer was 55 at the top of the hill. That was with my 5er coming in at 15K for that trip.

I think it is about 3 miles long...or at least it felt that way.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:17 PM
  #10358  
Fishin76's Avatar
Fishin76
Posting Guru
15 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,714
Likes: 1
From: Canton, IL
It's nice to see the comparison between truck, engine, and tranny choices. Although, too bad a 7.3L truck couldn't have made the trip. =(....
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 02:25 PM
  #10359  
krewat's Avatar
krewat
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Your truck performed pretty well actually! It was quite a bit slower out the gate, but still did well.

Honestly, though, I wish we could get all these trucks on a good 6% grade for 8 miles or whatever and see which one performs better. I know that type of test is harder, to most owners, it is more relevant.
Actually, to MOST owners, that test would be IRrelevant. That's basically a pull of 2500+ feet elevation all in one pull. Those conditions exist in about .1% of total driving by people using diesels in 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks, not to mention gassers.

It would be FUN to compare them in a pull like that, however
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 03:01 PM
  #10360  
Kajtek1's Avatar
Kajtek1
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,524
Likes: 2
From: CA Bay Area
Originally Posted by Krewat
Actually, to MOST owners, that test would be IRrelevant. That's basically a pull of 2500+ feet elevation all in one pull. Those conditions exist in about .1% of total driving by people using diesels in 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks, not to mention gassers.

It would be FUN to compare them in a pull like that, however
I don't know if I am in only .1%, but whenever I drive I have long grades.
Going South Grapevine Grade 7 miles at 6%, going East-North the Truckee Grade is like 24 miles with variable grades, but 6% seems to be pretty common.
Going East-South the grade past Bakersfield is like 11 miles and than have several more on I-15 where holding gas pedal on the floor for 1/2 hr is pretty common.
Going North -Shasta grade is well known as well.
Than I love the I-80 grade east of Salt Lake City where going down on neutral for 10 miles you have to brake hard to keep it below 80 mph.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 03:05 PM
  #10361  
2001400ex's Avatar
2001400ex
Elder User
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 685
Likes: 0
From: Spokane, WA
Originally Posted by Krewat
Actually, to MOST owners, that test would be IRrelevant. That's basically a pull of 2500+ feet elevation all in one pull. Those conditions exist in about .1% of total driving by people using diesels in 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks, not to mention gassers.

It would be FUN to compare them in a pull like that, however
Yeah, but all these trucks can pull any load over flat ground just the same. Going up a 11% grade from a standstill is less likely than pulling a big hill. If all I did was drive on flat ground, I would still own my Chevy 6.0 gas engine... So yes pulling hills is than 5% of driving, but when you have to pull 4 similar hills in a 9 hour period, you might change your mind.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 03:30 PM
  #10362  
Monster-4's Avatar
Monster-4
Logistics Pro
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 18
From: Millersburg, OH
Originally Posted by CampSpringsJohn
Well, based off the sounds coming through the videos, your truck sounded much cooler than any of the rest! I'm a diesel fan, but I really like the sound of a good running engine through a good performance exhaust!

If you were to compare your truck to a 460 powered 1989 truck with headers and turbo mufflers, both would sound great!!!
Thanks! Tom, whom was driving my truck in the video, actually keep the window down so he could listen to the V10 belt out it's song the whole way up the hill. My exhaust mods are pretty mild. I have Ford Racing headers, and a cat-back Flowmaster system with an FM70 muffler. Everything else is stock and original as far I know/can tell.

Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Your truck performed pretty well actually! It was quite a bit slower out the gate, but still did well.

Honestly, though, I wish we could get all these trucks on a good 6% grade for 8 miles or whatever and see which one performs better. I know that type of test is harder, to most owners, it is more relevant.
Thanks! The real kicker is if I had the proper gearing the launch would have been much better. Not only am I running 3.73's but I'm running 33" tires (stock is 31") so I'm probably in the 3.5 to 3.6 range for gearing (to lazy to do the actual math).What really strikes me about these videos is that my old V10 that is 11 years a two gears behind the 6.7s was only 6-8MPH slower at the top. Yeah she wheezed out of the gate but once the RPMs were able to come up it took off.

I have no doubt as the altitude got higher I would be way down on power. I really wouldn't be afraid to let it rip and sing all the way up the mountain however. Might be annoying (depends on your viewpoint) and might not be the fastest way up and over but I think the trusty old V10 would do it, repeatably. Once again gearing would play a big role. If I was out west and climb the mountains out there a lot I would either have a PSD or invest in gearing to make up for some of the lost power at higher altitudes.

Really though I can't say enough good things about the 6.0, 6.4 and the 6.7. I love the diesel power delivery and if my needs were different and my pocket book was bigger I won't hesitate to own any of them. I'm not a gas or diesel guy but I am a Super Duty guy.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 04:36 PM
  #10363  
David N.'s Avatar
David N.
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Monster-4
Thanks! The real kicker is if I had the proper gearing the launch would have been much better. Not only am I running 3.73's but I'm running 33" tires (stock is 31") so I'm probably in the 3.5 to 3.6 range for gearing (to lazy to do the actual math).
Plus all the other trucks had a lower first gear than you. 2.71 vs 3.09 or 3.97?

By the way, has your speedometer been adjusted to account for the larger tires?
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 04:41 PM
  #10364  
CampSpringsJohn's Avatar
CampSpringsJohn
Hotshot
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,069
Likes: 17
From: Melbourne, Ky
Originally Posted by David N.
Plus all the other trucks had a lower first gear than you. 2.71 vs 3.09 or 3.97?

By the way, has your speedometer been adjusted to account for the larger tires?
If it hasn't, then his speed would have been better than what the speedometer was showing.
 
Reply
Old Jan 3, 2011 | 04:42 PM
  #10365  
powerstroke72's Avatar
powerstroke72
Super Moderator
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 24,308
Likes: 42
From: SW Virginia
I-77 from the NC line north into VA is a pretty good grade. There are varied opinions of the percent but they go from 4.5%-7% and it's about a 7 mile grade. It would make for a good run pulling that weight. You can get on at Exit 1 near the Love's Truckstop and go all the way to exit 8 at the top of the grade. Just sayin'....

Anybody wants to come down here and pull it, we could set something up. The grade starts from the time you hit I-77 right off the entrance ramp and continues all the way to about a 1/2 mile south of exit 8.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:36 AM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE