Very nice looking rig you have there!

Honestly the only way to actually prove what motor is in fact better would be to go on a long trip with matching equipment together so conditions are all the same.

On that note I think I would be incredible fun to get a bunch of ford families together with somewhat identical equipment and journey together around the states. I am sure many many good stories could be told around a fire while roasting some marsh mellows. At the end of the trip I would think we would have enough data to pretty much close this thread and many new friends.

 

You neglected to include RPM and road speed in your calculations. When that V10 shifts out of 1st gear, it's going faster than you are when YOU shift out of first gear.

 

Great stuff, Joe!

I'd like to add that liking to rev isn't necessarily a characteristic of an SOHC engine; GMs V8s like to rev as well.

But you're 100% correct in that this is what the engine is designed to do. I think lots of people who buy diesels do it under the idea that they will break something in a gas engine by letting it rev to 5K+ RPMs. This is incorrect, as these engines will last a LONG time at high RPMs.

My motorcycle has a 1.3L engine that redlines at 12,500 RPMs. It gets near that redline every time I ride, and I have no worries.

 

Thanks...I was trying to find one I like better when I was pulling on I-70 in Utah when we stopped at a really cool scenic overlook...but I must have purged it from my computer...I'll have to find it when I get back in Indiana as I am in LA right now...

You are right...but the way I look at it simply MAKING the trip and MAKING it back says a particular motor is CAPABLE...right?...whether one motor can pull 1 or 2 or 3 mph faster on a give grade to me is interesting but irrelevant actually...making memories with ones family seeing our beautiful country is what life is about IMO...so if it takes me a second longer to pull a hill in Utah or New Mexico or Colorado or Wyoming or Montana when someone with a 6.oH or 6.4 or 6.7 monster motor is sitting at home eating potato chips and drinking suds on the couch is well...their business...I'll keep doing what I'm doing by showing my daughters this beautiful country one state at a time with this little ole V10!

I do like your idea though...a convoy of Fords pulling heavy making memories along the road of life...but with how I travel...I find most don't like to drive 12-14 hours a day like I do...and I can do it because my rig handles like a dream and is comfortable for me to drive...I am no more tired had I just driven 12-14 hours in a car versus 12-14 hours towing my rig...

I don't think this thread can ever end...it is like politics or religion or a crack addict!

Joe.

 

Tom,

Great point...I didn't mean to say that only SOHC or DOHC motors rev high...a 496 cu-in (i.e. 8.1L GM V8) likes to rev...but the HP curve is slightly lower since that is a push rod motor with higher compression I believe...so it also will rev into the 4000 range...I'm not sure if it will continue up into the 5's though like the V10...

But you are 100% right...gassers make their power at higher RPMs and diesels at lower RPMs...why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand and accept is beyond me...

You mean that you rev your motorcycle to 12,500 RPMs?...OMG...

NASCAR stock cars with their 800HP push rod V8 motors rev close to 9,000 or 10,000 RPMs...OMG are they some struggling engines or what?

Working a motor where it is DESIGNED to work is NOT struggling...it may not be comfortable for some drivers...I am totally comfortable with pulling long steep grades at speed at 3200-4500 RPMs depending on gear...but that is personal choice that has gotten me and my family to some incredible sights around this beautiful and incredible country!

Joe.

 

I think it would also be interesting to have at least one dodge guy and one chevy guy along as well to compare other brands.

I have no problems driving 10-12 hours. I have done the nonstop trip to texas more than a few times which is around 24 hours of driving.

 

Power band has more to do with cam profile and timing than SOHC vs. OHV. I'm pretty confident your 9,000 RPM NASCAR engines aren't OHC. OHC is an advantage for high revving, but that doesn't have to be the case. A Cummins ISX 15L heavy truck engine redlines at 2,200 RPMs; this is a DOHC motor.

I learend a lot from Johnny Langton earlier in this thread about this.



It is a LOT of fun to hear it wail!

 

My hondas cruise at 4500rpm@70-75mph in 5th gear. rpms don't mean anything in gas engines any more.

 

Great info...THANKS for the clarification!

I talk with Johnny all the time...he's a great guy with LOTS of very relevant knowledge!!!


I bet it is!!!

 

I wish this thread would take a drive with Ted Kennedy off a bridge....








(too soon?)

 

I have a Honda NX650 (basically an XR650R with pretty plastic on it) Enduro, single cylinder, 650CC's.

It redlines at 8500RPM and be darned if I didn't push it way past that quite a few times power-shifting it. Of course, it has a 3.9x3.25 bore/stroke, compared to my V10's 3.5x4.165, but 5000RPM is nothing with a smaller piston.

 

Hey, I didn't get any reported posts, so what the heck are YOU doing here? Unsubscribe already!

 

This thread has to be a freaking nightmare for your database folks...

700+ pages and 10K + posts...HOW are they dealing with this?

 

Well, us Supermods and even Admins don't do anything with the database itself, that's IB's problem.

On the flipside, there's really no issue, because the database they are running doesn't really care how long the thread is. Over the years, as I recall, various things were done to make that point moot, mostly by Ken.

Years ago, threads this long were considered basically ILLEGAL, but now there's really nothing wrong with it

 

I strongly object to that last statement...I can find one or two things completely WRONG and misleading with this thread!