Gas vs PSD
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From: iowa
My PSD does have one advantage over all the V10s on this forum. And it doesn't matter stock, or modified.
Lets see who can go longer without ever pulling into a fuel station and buying fuel. I mean in miles not just time cause someone could park a truck and not need fuel.
Before anyone takes that challenge, in the interest of full dis-closer I make my own bio diesel and don't buy ANY fuel for at least 6 months out of the year.
Oh and it only costs me 93cents a gallon
Lets see who can go longer without ever pulling into a fuel station and buying fuel. I mean in miles not just time cause someone could park a truck and not need fuel.
Before anyone takes that challenge, in the interest of full dis-closer I make my own bio diesel and don't buy ANY fuel for at least 6 months out of the year.
Oh and it only costs me 93cents a gallon
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From: iowa
Sure it's possible to make your own ethanol at home, just as soon as you get the permits and federal lic to produce alcohol from the BATF.
It IS legal to produce bio-diesel, it is NOT legal to produce any quantity of Alcohol.
Also the V10 will not run on pure ethanol without major modifications, a diesel WILL run on bio-diesel just fine. Even a flex fuel will not run properly on E100 BTW.
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From: Stevens Point, WI
Did anyone catch that show (I forget the name) where a guy made a truck run off of wood/horse manure with his son? He also made moonshine right on TV. His wife asked if it was legal and he said something about personal use and not selling it making it ok. I have no idea if it is true but monster reminded me of it.
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From: Ohio
[quote=monsterbaby;9751127]My PSD does have one advantage over all the V10s on this forum. And it doesn't matter stock, or modified.
Lets see who can go longer without ever pulling into a fuel station and buying fuel. I mean in miles not just time cause someone could park a truck and not need fuel.
Before anyone takes that challenge, in the interest of full dis-closer I make my own bio diesel and don't buy ANY fuel for at least 6 months out of the year.
Oh and it only costs me 93cents a gallon[/quote
I'd be curious to see your...refinery I guess. I've heard a fair amount about guys producing there own bio fuel, and seen some of the kits available for doing so, but I've never seen any pictures of a persons stuff actually in use. How/where it's set up, how much space it needs, support gear etc. It would be interesting to see. Got pics?
How do you gather your raw material? How much time do you have to devote to doing so, cost, equipment, etc.
I don't really care how it all pertains to the v10/psd argument (which I think is stupid anyway) and I find the subject much more interesting.
Lets see who can go longer without ever pulling into a fuel station and buying fuel. I mean in miles not just time cause someone could park a truck and not need fuel.
Before anyone takes that challenge, in the interest of full dis-closer I make my own bio diesel and don't buy ANY fuel for at least 6 months out of the year.
Oh and it only costs me 93cents a gallon[/quote
I'd be curious to see your...refinery I guess. I've heard a fair amount about guys producing there own bio fuel, and seen some of the kits available for doing so, but I've never seen any pictures of a persons stuff actually in use. How/where it's set up, how much space it needs, support gear etc. It would be interesting to see. Got pics?
How do you gather your raw material? How much time do you have to devote to doing so, cost, equipment, etc.
I don't really care how it all pertains to the v10/psd argument (which I think is stupid anyway) and I find the subject much more interesting.
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From: Rhode Island
Sure it's possible to make your own ethanol at home, just as soon as you get the permits and federal lic to produce alcohol from the BATF.
It IS legal to produce bio-diesel, it is NOT legal to produce any quantity of Alcohol.
Also the V10 will not run on pure ethanol without major modifications, a diesel WILL run on bio-diesel just fine. Even a flex fuel will not run properly on E100 BTW.
It IS legal to produce bio-diesel, it is NOT legal to produce any quantity of Alcohol.
Also the V10 will not run on pure ethanol without major modifications, a diesel WILL run on bio-diesel just fine. Even a flex fuel will not run properly on E100 BTW.
By "major modifications", You mean just a re-flash and bigger fuel injectors, right? Because that is about all it takes to run E85/E100. The fuel lines might not be up to the task, but they're cheap enough. It really shouldn't cost any more to convert a gas engine to run E100, than it costs you for your fuel switching, filtration and heating system on the truck.
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From: iowa
Ian, I don't have any extra tanks, heating system or fuel switching systems. Actual biodiesel can be run in a diesel engine as is. I make no changes, do nothing except add Bio directly into my tank and let it run. I just start blending it in the spring until I end up at B100, then I start putting regular fuel in until I am back to blended diesel for winter. that simple.
BTW that is NOT a personal permit it is an application for a business permit to manufacture alcohol. which is what I said (I did say BATF instead of the treasury but still you must have a federal permit, you can't just start brewing.)
Do you know that the original Diesels were designed to run on pure Peanut oil?
BTW that is NOT a personal permit it is an application for a business permit to manufacture alcohol. which is what I said (I did say BATF instead of the treasury but still you must have a federal permit, you can't just start brewing.)
Do you know that the original Diesels were designed to run on pure Peanut oil?
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From: iowa
I'd be curious to see your...refinery I guess. I've heard a fair amount about guys producing there own bio fuel, and seen some of the kits available for doing so, but I've never seen any pictures of a persons stuff actually in use. How/where it's set up, how much space it needs, support gear etc. It would be interesting to see. Got pics?
How do you gather your raw material? How much time do you have to devote to doing so, cost, equipment, etc.
I don't really care how it all pertains to the v10/psd argument (which I think is stupid anyway) and I find the subject much more interesting.
How do you gather your raw material? How much time do you have to devote to doing so, cost, equipment, etc.
I don't really care how it all pertains to the v10/psd argument (which I think is stupid anyway) and I find the subject much more interesting.
I just built a new garage with a dedicated shed for the bio attached so I am in the process of resetting it all up.
but my original setup as in a garden shed that was 6x8.
As to the raw materiels, My wife works in a convenience store that uses some I park my truck at a truck stop that gives me all their used oil and I have another restraunt down the street that I leave a 55 gallon barrel at for them to put it in. I pick that up about every 3 months in the warmer seasons.
I do have pics of the old setup somewhere but can't find them right now.
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From: Rogersville, TN
I am at 220k on my 7.3 and never put a cps on it. The only work I have done to mine is change the gpr and glow plugs at 175k miles and a cracked valve spring retainer at 200k miles.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
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From: Dongola, IL
I am at 220k on my 7.3 and never put a cps on it. The only work I have done to mine is change the gpr and glow plugs at 175k miles and a cracked valve spring retainer at 200k miles.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
P.S. By the time I get a reason to go to Texas again I will have Stage 1s, elec. fuel and so on, so I will be able to outpull Bill, we'll just have to see if I can do it in a stock tune.
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From: Spokane, WA
I am at 220k on my 7.3 and never put a cps on it. The only work I have done to mine is change the gpr and glow plugs at 175k miles and a cracked valve spring retainer at 200k miles.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
If by outpull you mean which one will pull the same load at a lower rpm then the 7.3 will beat Bills v10. If you mean which one will pull the load better regardless of rpm then I am going with the v10. As reliable as it is, my 7.3 wont even pull with my 5.4, much less a v10.
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From: Isanti, MN
I wish we had more gas trucks!
We didn't get it on video, but my dad's 4.6L F150 out-pulled that 7.3L truck. With 10,000 lbs behind it the truck was able to rev to 6,000 RPMs in first gear and achieve just over 30 MPH on the first, steepest part of the hill. The 7.3L only reached 25 on that portion.
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From: Florida
Check out this quote from part 3 page 4 i.e. ... "Gas Versus Diesel Comparison By Brand - 7% Grade with Trailer"
"...In contrast to the Dodge and GM oil burners, the 6.8-liter V10 gas engine was faster moving up the grade than the 6.4-liter V8 diesel."
Now I know today we have the 6.7L...but the point is that the 6.4L has much more HP/Trq than a 7.3L and the V10 is pretty much the same...well the 3V did add a few ticks of HP/Trq over my 2V version...but the V10 hangs handily with the 6.4L and one can conclude will beat the 6.OH and absolutley smoke (sorry for the pun) the lower HP/Trq 7.3L purely based on HP/Trq numbers...I didn't make this stuff up...the "pros" at pickuptruck.com did!
Happy New Year everyone!
Joe.
Now I know today we have the 6.7L...but the point is that the 6.4L has much more HP/Trq than a 7.3L and the V10 is pretty much the same...well the 3V did add a few ticks of HP/Trq over my 2V version...but the V10 hangs handily with the 6.4L and one can conclude will beat the 6.OH and absolutley smoke (sorry for the pun) the lower HP/Trq 7.3L purely based on HP/Trq numbers...I didn't make this stuff up...the "pros" at pickuptruck.com did!
Happy New Year everyone!
Joe.