Gas vs PSD
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From: Stevens Point, WI
Even with 7 spark plugs working, I'll pass your 7.3 sitting on the side of the road while you're changing out your 5th CPS, or your worn out HPOP, or your leaking oil lines, or your leaking EBPV pedastal, ad nasium. After 2002, the V-10 has the least TSB's than any Ford engine ever made. It's the most dependable, most reliable, best towing engine ever designed. Nothing has so far ever been engineered to beat it, even for longivity including overall cost to drive. All you need to do is check out the real figures that include mileage, usage including number of V-10 engines in RV's, fleet vehicles, etc. The V-10 is a no brainer for the absolute best Ford engine they ever made.
But at least we can pass up gas stations.
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From: Calgary Alberta Canada
At least we don't have the tow truck on speed dial.
Im a
in this thread.
For regular towing. Diesel makes a more comfortable truck
However, the increasing complexity and cost. Narrowing margin in fuel economy, not to mention the fuel prices, make the diesel a less attractive option to many.
My last diesel was an idi with 170 hp and under 400tq
I towed 10'000lb all day every day for 100 000 miles with it. I liked it.
I'd buy another one if I could.(new) It got good mileage, was simple. needed 1 wire to run. The newer diesels scare me, I'm all about reliability.
The 6.0 kinda shied me away from diesels.
All this race talk and hp b.s is half the reason the diesels get lousy mileage, and compromise longevity for power I.M.O
For me, the v10 is the best choice. It's probably going to be more reliable than a diesel especially a 6.0 I could pay for fuel for a long time for what headstuds cost.
Plus I picked it up for $10'000 cheaper than a similar diesel,
and lastly it will do the same job,
I am not limited by having a v10, it will do the exact same work!
I may get to the campground a minute slower, or deliver the material 30 sec,slower
I drive the speed limit anyway.
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Joined: Feb 2006
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From: Kingsland, GA
I've watched gas prices go up by >$0.30 while diesel has gone up about $0.10. I pay less than Premium and close to Mid-Grade in my area.
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From: AZ
This is my first diesel but anytime we needed something large like a 40yd dumpster moved around the site etc if My gassers wouldn't do it We always had to get someone with a diesel ,, my gassers weren't V10's but they had 380 ft lbs of torque
and couldn't budge the containers if to full the v10 has about about 70 more ft lbs than that with 425-456 ft lb however the diesels are up in the 570 ft lbs range
so I can't see how the statement
"I am not limited by having a v10, it will do the exact same work!"
is true ? unless it's meant as for that individuals needs only ?
it wouldn't do the same work for Me
I don't hate on the 10 I think they are a neat motor I am just asking about the low end grunt I guess but this is 700 pages long it's probably been asked a 100 times lol
and couldn't budge the containers if to full the v10 has about about 70 more ft lbs than that with 425-456 ft lb however the diesels are up in the 570 ft lbs range
so I can't see how the statement
"I am not limited by having a v10, it will do the exact same work!"
is true ? unless it's meant as for that individuals needs only ?
it wouldn't do the same work for Me
I don't hate on the 10 I think they are a neat motor I am just asking about the low end grunt I guess but this is 700 pages long it's probably been asked a 100 times lol
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
For your work, it has more to do with the rear end ratio as much as it does with the torque. A V-10 with a 4.30 or 4.88 will pull about whatever you have; even with a 4.10 it ain't bad. The diesel with a 3.73 is close to the above. You can't expect a gasser with a 3.05 or 3.55 to pull with a diesel no matter what, so IMHO, it's the rear end ratio that's equally important as the HP and TQ.
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From: AZ
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Senior User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 287
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From: Calgary Alberta Canada
This is my first diesel but anytime we needed something large like a 40yd dumpster moved around the site etc if My gassers wouldn't do it We always had to get someone with a diesel ,, my gassers weren't V10's but they had 380 ft lbs of torque
and couldn't budge the containers if to full the v10 has about about 70 more ft lbs than that with 425-456 ft lb however the diesels are up in the 570 ft lbs range
so I can't see how the statement
"I am not limited by having a v10, it will do the exact same work!"
is true ? unless it's meant as for that individuals needs only ?
it wouldn't do the same work for Me
I don't hate on the 10 I think they are a neat motor I am just asking about the low end grunt I guess but this is 700 pages long it's probably been asked a 100 times lol
and couldn't budge the containers if to full the v10 has about about 70 more ft lbs than that with 425-456 ft lb however the diesels are up in the 570 ft lbs range
so I can't see how the statement
"I am not limited by having a v10, it will do the exact same work!"
is true ? unless it's meant as for that individuals needs only ?
it wouldn't do the same work for Me
I don't hate on the 10 I think they are a neat motor I am just asking about the low end grunt I guess but this is 700 pages long it's probably been asked a 100 times lol
If I need a dumpster moved on my job, (framer) I use my telehandler, It has the cummins 4bt.
A whopping 100 hp but it will lift 6k and push damn near anything.
Anyway, how's this. I go skiing in the dead of winter, it's 10 below and I come back to the truck, start it and go home.
The diesels? hmm maybe it'll go maybe not.
Or I'm on a long highway trip, and I can't find a diesel station?
(That has happened)
The point was, in 99.9% of situations, the v10 is more than capable
And 99.9% of the time the psd is more than capable, each has it's draw backs.
each has it's upside.
I just recently bought this v10.
In my shopping, the options were.
5.4 Gas
6.8 Gas
low mileage 7.3
low mileage 12v cummins
low mileage 24v cummins.
2007 6.0
I shopped, and found this one. 2006 v10 90k miles 4x4 with no rust for $7000 plus tax.
It was the best all around deal.
For diesel the 12v is the superior engine anyway.
the best truck is a 2005+ ford with a 12v cummins.
Because we can't get that, we have to make choices, I made mine, we all did.
There are trade offs for each.
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Modular motor junkie
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From: Texas
I don't know about there, but you could turn right around and sell it for double that here. You got a deal!
Lead Driver
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From: Pa
OK I need to say something, If you couldnt move it, You woulda spun the tires. If a 4x4 you coulda low ranged it to move it. If still not moveable ie traction, than a diesel wouldnt have helped ya! I OWN A PSD! This just is absurd to me! Maybe the weight of the boat anchor (diesel) gave traction, but otherwise this is moot!
Posting Guru
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From: AZ
nope no 4x4 they just bog down ( I didn't try to break anything I could tell it was beyond the trucks capability) , beds are loaded so traction wasn't an issue and limited slip rear and it We pulling it with a chain so it would load the rear even more do to the angle
the diesels didn't need low or 4 to do it
Absurd? It was just a question with some real world facts
the diesels didn't need low or 4 to do it
Absurd? It was just a question with some real world facts
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Modular motor junkie
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From: Texas
OK I need to say something, If you couldnt move it, You woulda spun the tires. If a 4x4 you coulda low ranged it to move it. If still not moveable ie traction, than a diesel wouldnt have helped ya! I OWN A PSD! This just is absurd to me! Maybe the weight of the boat anchor (diesel) gave traction, but otherwise this is moot!
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Joined: Dec 2007
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From: Calgary Alberta Canada
Thanks, I actually bought it at an auction, it needed the rear main leaf replaced on one side, and it's missing the rear seat. It's an xl, but it has air/cruise/tilt.
But it looks good and seems to be maintained well. It was a fleet truck.
What I did was find a few of the trucks I liked, that arrived in the few days before the auction happened.
Ususally what happens is the trucks that have been on the lot for a while are targeted by buyers (dealers) long before the auction begins. Plus dealers aren't as interested in lower trim trucks.
The late comers are a wild card. Sometimes they go cheap, sometimes not.
So I had to wait around all day in sub zero cold till the late afternoon. I was bidding against 1 guy, I told him before we started that I'd go to 10k, and showed him the damage. so he backed out at $6800
I get 12-13 mpg in sub zero temps (hubs unlocked) which is as good as my tired 5.4 was getting.
Plus it goes like h*** when I stomp the gas.
It may be slower than a diesel, but I am more than happy.
Did I mention how fast it feels?
I think the earth's rotation may have been affected a little
