Gas vs PSD
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You can buy a NEW one, and it's going to blow eventually. It'll blow sooner if you run it at 5k for extended periods all the time. As it gets older, it'll do it sooner than it would if it were new. I'd like to see a 5-10yr-old Ecoboost do the same tests Ford is doing on it now. That's what we've been saying would happen at 5000rpms to a V10. I wasn't expecting it to go that quick, but 20 minutes will take YEARS off the engine if it doesn't blow it completely. Bill had (past-tense) an old engine and tried the 5k Challenge, and was man enough to post the video afterward. (Kudos to you Bill)
Will my diesel blow up? Absolutely. Will it blow up on me? Not unless something unforeseen happens like the engine that let loose in my F150 while I was doing 30mph.
Sorry Bill...
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Let's take the rev limiter off the PSD and run IT at 5K rpm for 20 minutes 
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
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Let's take the rev limiter off the PSD and run IT at 5K rpm for 20 minutes I'm not claiming my PSD can turn 5k. None of us PSD owners are that I've seen. We don't NEED the high RPM's to move a load.
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues. I thought he'd run out of gas before he blew it...scroll back.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running? Ya'll are the ones claiming running at the rev limiter won't faze a V10. We now have video that disproves that theory...
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
I'm not claiming my PSD can turn 5k. None of us PSD owners are that I've seen. We don't NEED the high RPM's to move a load.Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues. I thought he'd run out of gas before he blew it...scroll back.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running? Ya'll are the ones claiming running at the rev limiter won't faze a V10. We now have video that disproves that theory...
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
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Let's take the rev limiter off the PSD and run IT at 5K rpm for 20 minutes
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
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Let's take the rev limiter off the PSD and run IT at 5K rpm for 20 minutes
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
Now, I know, I know, you all are taking Bill's misadventure as showing how the V10 can't do 5K for any length of time, but in reality, that engine WAS actually removed by one of our V10 forum regulars because if it's condition and oil pressure issues.
So, if we take a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, or a 6.7 that has 100K miles on it, apparently never had the oil changed in it's entire life, and run it at the rev-limiter for 20 minutes, do you REALLY think it's going to keep running?
Actually, it wouldn't be running in the first place, it would have quit already.
Sorry about the motor Bill, that hurts.
BTW, I have never run any engine unloaded to the rev limiter, and never plan to. It is just plain unnessasary
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I don't know that for a fact, but I do know on the 6.0, the oil cooler clogs and if it runs hot, it can/will fry the head gasket, which is a $50 part if you can do the work yourself. I have seen a 6.0 go into limp mode wen the coolant got too hot, not sure what the oil temp was.
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Like I said, take any diesel that's been abused the same way and run it at it's rev limiter and see what happens.
All Bill's experiment proves is that any engine with an oiling system issue WILL give up pretty fast
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How does it disprove anything? He took an engine that had problems from the get-go.
Like I said, take any diesel that's been abused the same way and run it at it's rev limiter and see what happens.
All Bill's experiment proves is that any engine with an oiling system issue WILL give up pretty fast
Like I said, take any diesel that's been abused the same way and run it at it's rev limiter and see what happens.
All Bill's experiment proves is that any engine with an oiling system issue WILL give up pretty fast
As you can see, it happens so fast there's no way to stop it once it starts. Went from 5k to 4k in the blink of an eye.Edit: Never mind; Bill, don't do it because if it blows too, I'm denying all responsibility. If that old engine had been mine, I would have dropped the pan and checked the oil pickup before I installed it. I also would have put about 3qts of transmission fluid in it and ran it for about 15 minutes to remove the varnish, followed by new oil, filter, and a bottle of motor honey. Wouldn't hurt it any more than it was already hurt.
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We have NO PROOF that this was an oil issue as of yet. It could be a myriad of things.
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How does it disprove anything? He took an engine that had problems from the get-go.
Like I said, take any diesel that's been abused the same way and run it at it's rev limiter and see what happens.
All Bill's experiment proves is that any engine with an oiling system issue WILL give up pretty fast
Like I said, take any diesel that's been abused the same way and run it at it's rev limiter and see what happens.
All Bill's experiment proves is that any engine with an oiling system issue WILL give up pretty fast
And I am serious, no joking, or kidding around. Chargersfan, you throwing down $20 too?
I take zero responsibility for your actions or what happens to your truck.
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For Krewat? I'll see your $20.00 and raise you $10.00!
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Call. Krewat, $60 for 20 minutes of your time. You down? Gotta be hooked to a trailer and cannot be downhill, at least flat ground, with video evidence.
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Unless I'm sitting in 1st or 2nd gear at 5K, I'm going to run out of road way before 20 minutes is up. And the idea that I can hold 5K in OD is ludicrous, and doing 122 with a full load? Preposterous
That's around 175MPH in OD, 122 in 3rd, 80 in 2nd, and 45 in 1st.
If I did in 1st, it wouldn't even be "loaded". Even in 2nd, it wouldn't even be breaking a sweat.
I'd do it, but put your money where your mouth is. I need a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, and a 6.7 behind me (notice I said behind) sitting at the rev limiter with the same load behind them in a similar gear as me. Stock rev-limiter, not adjusted.
At that rate, the 7.3 (with 3.73 and 4R100 tranny) will be going around 31.5MPH at 3500RPM, and after 20 minutes I'll be 5 miles ahead. The rest of the diesels, assuming a similar gear ratio will still be back there somewhere.
I'll take the risk, but only if a couple of diesels do it with me
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That's around 175MPH in OD, 122 in 3rd, 80 in 2nd, and 45 in 1st. Talk about optimistic gearing...
If I did in 1st, it wouldn't even be "loaded". Even in 2nd, it wouldn't even be breaking a sweat. Bill blew his in 1st.
I'd do it, but put your money where your mouth is. I need a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, and a 6.7 behind me (notice I said behind) sitting at the rev limiter with the same load behind them in a similar gear as me. Stock rev-limiter, not adjusted. We don't need to go to the rev limiter, and have always maintained we aren't naive enough to run at the rev limiter. You gassers are the ones who get on the soapbox preaching of the virtue of screaming down the road and how it doesn't hurt anything.
I'll take the risk, but only if a couple of diesels do it with me
If I did in 1st, it wouldn't even be "loaded". Even in 2nd, it wouldn't even be breaking a sweat. Bill blew his in 1st.
I'd do it, but put your money where your mouth is. I need a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, and a 6.7 behind me (notice I said behind) sitting at the rev limiter with the same load behind them in a similar gear as me. Stock rev-limiter, not adjusted. We don't need to go to the rev limiter, and have always maintained we aren't naive enough to run at the rev limiter. You gassers are the ones who get on the soapbox preaching of the virtue of screaming down the road and how it doesn't hurt anything.
I'll take the risk, but only if a couple of diesels do it with me
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Find me a place on Long Island to do it, and I might think about it.
Unless I'm sitting in 1st or 2nd gear at 5K, I'm going to run out of road way before 20 minutes is up. And the idea that I can hold 5K in OD is ludicrous, and doing 122 with a full load? Preposterous
That's around 175MPH in OD, 122 in 3rd, 80 in 2nd, and 45 in 1st.
If I did in 1st, it wouldn't even be "loaded". Even in 2nd, it wouldn't even be breaking a sweat.
I'd do it, but put your money where your mouth is. I need a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, and a 6.7 behind me (notice I said behind) sitting at the rev limiter with the same load behind them in a similar gear as me. Stock rev-limiter, not adjusted.
At that rate, the 7.3 (with 3.73 and 4R100 tranny) will be going around 31.5MPH at 3500RPM, and after 20 minutes I'll be 5 miles ahead. The rest of the diesels, assuming a similar gear ratio will still be back there somewhere.
I'll take the risk, but only if a couple of diesels do it with me
Unless I'm sitting in 1st or 2nd gear at 5K, I'm going to run out of road way before 20 minutes is up. And the idea that I can hold 5K in OD is ludicrous, and doing 122 with a full load? Preposterous
That's around 175MPH in OD, 122 in 3rd, 80 in 2nd, and 45 in 1st.
If I did in 1st, it wouldn't even be "loaded". Even in 2nd, it wouldn't even be breaking a sweat.
I'd do it, but put your money where your mouth is. I need a 7.3, a 6.0, a 6.4, and a 6.7 behind me (notice I said behind) sitting at the rev limiter with the same load behind them in a similar gear as me. Stock rev-limiter, not adjusted.
At that rate, the 7.3 (with 3.73 and 4R100 tranny) will be going around 31.5MPH at 3500RPM, and after 20 minutes I'll be 5 miles ahead. The rest of the diesels, assuming a similar gear ratio will still be back there somewhere.
I'll take the risk, but only if a couple of diesels do it with me
Where does overdrive factor in? 1st or 2nd is just fine, but gotta have a. 12k load. You do it and you are paid.
And at no point have I ever needed to run past 2,800 k for an extended period, and I have done that with my powerstroke for 10 minutes at a time several times on several trips. So no diesel needs to be there.
You talk it, back it up like Bill tried.