Gas vs PSD
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Yeah, but than we have to fill up only 1/2 of the tank to make the same distance V10 does.
Coming to different suspensions, I went to dealer for stabilization bar links for my F450 and he asked me which one of 4 possible front axles I have on my truck. I assume there might be more variations with rear ends.
BTW my 7.3 PSD can make 6000 miles before I need to worry about oil addition. 240,000 miles on odometer.
Coming to different suspensions, I went to dealer for stabilization bar links for my F450 and he asked me which one of 4 possible front axles I have on my truck. I assume there might be more variations with rear ends.
BTW my 7.3 PSD can make 6000 miles before I need to worry about oil addition. 240,000 miles on odometer.
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so after 740+ pages this is still a seroius thread? i figured it woulda died at page 3-4. . . .im no huge fan of the p-stroke legacy-i like the 7.3(as it is among the most reliable turbo-diesels to date, unfortunately it has a low "power ceiling" for the $). . . and the 6.7 has yet to tickle my fancy, especially w/ urea. . .(wtf, urea?. . . . .) but for F-sake the 3 valve/cylinder modular v-10? ? ? for the sake of peoples feelings who own them, ill refrain from stating how theyre low-power, ill designed, high dollar, hard-to-find part gas guzzlers (whoops). . . .
i guess if the dodge guys were replacin their cummins motors with a powerstroke then there'd be room for the (low pow) v10 dodge guys to rag on the other dodge diesel owners. . .but there isnt, so i guess that explains a lot
(good thing for dodge too cuz after all the bodies rusted out and the auto trans burned up they prob wouldnt have a platform to work on if they didnt use the cummins)
all that bein said, the 7.3 lightly modded will out-tow, and out-last a v10 everyday of the millenium. ok plz die, thread.
i guess if the dodge guys were replacin their cummins motors with a powerstroke then there'd be room for the (low pow) v10 dodge guys to rag on the other dodge diesel owners. . .but there isnt, so i guess that explains a lot
(good thing for dodge too cuz after all the bodies rusted out and the auto trans burned up they prob wouldnt have a platform to work on if they didnt use the cummins)all that bein said, the 7.3 lightly modded will out-tow, and out-last a v10 everyday of the millenium. ok plz die, thread.
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I haul heavy and the psd is the best choice for me. My stand is that the gas engines aren't going to out pull a psd. I haven't said that a psd will out pull a gas engine. There is a few situations where the psd will have an upper hand over certain enginesm
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Ford to Offer V-10 Gas Engine for Medium-Duty Chassis cab Trucks
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and the 6.7 has yet to tickle my fancy, especially w/ urea. . .(wtf, urea?. . . . .)
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Boy is this gonna surprise a lot of people in here. I can see why someone would want a v10. Face it its an awsome engine. I loved every one I drove. Straight pipes and she roars. Tap the accelarator and it twists and lunges forward. For a toynto hotrod around it has no equal in the gas world. I've only seen a couple modded psds that I like more. But there's a lot of money and wrench time spent on them.
I haul heavy and the psd is the best choice for me. My stand is that the gas engines aren't going to out pull a psd. I haven't said that a psd will out pull a gas engine. There is a few situations where the psd will have an upper hand over certain enginesm
I haul heavy and the psd is the best choice for me. My stand is that the gas engines aren't going to out pull a psd. I haven't said that a psd will out pull a gas engine. There is a few situations where the psd will have an upper hand over certain enginesm
umm. . . .no equal in the gas world? the 8.1 chevy is not only more poweful stock-for-stock vs the 6.8 v10. . .but it also has a much larger aftermarket base, and is an incredible performer with simple exhaust/cam swaps. both get horrible fuel mileage and neither would i ever own in somethin i drove on a regular basis (ESPECIALLY a truck).
as for the psd, lets say someone setup either above said gassers to "outpull a psd", it would be doing so at 1/2 the mpg that the diesel thirsty (relatively speaking) 7.3 was pullin. and, i will reiterate, i am a fan of the 7.3. very reliable money-maker.
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Um....they are soon to be putting the V10 in F650s. They DO NOT put PSDs in these trucks.
Ford to Offer V-10 Gas Engine for Medium-Duty Chassis cab Trucks
Ford to Offer V-10 Gas Engine for Medium-Duty Chassis cab Trucks
" Gas engines burn cleaner than diesels. They don't require the same complex exhaust-scrubbing hardware, which can mean saving thousands of dollars in upfront purchase costs."
What a waste of typing and reading.
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Boy is this gonna surprise a lot of people in here. I can see why someone would want a v10. Face it its an awsome engine. I loved every one I drove. Straight pipes and she roars. Tap the accelarator and it twists and lunges forward. For a toynto hotrod around it has no equal in the gas world. I've only seen a couple modded psds that I like more. But there's a lot of money and wrench time spent on them.
I haul heavy and the psd is the best choice for me. My stand is that the gas engines aren't going to out pull a psd. I haven't said that a psd will out pull a gas engine. There is a few situations where the psd will have an upper hand over certain enginesm
I haul heavy and the psd is the best choice for me. My stand is that the gas engines aren't going to out pull a psd. I haven't said that a psd will out pull a gas engine. There is a few situations where the psd will have an upper hand over certain enginesm
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Another thought.... Imagine the 6.8 V10 paired up with the new 6R140 transmission and 4.30 gears in the 2011 trucks. It would be a stump puller and would get better mileage to boot with the double overdrive.
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Um....they are soon to be putting the V10 in F650s. They DO NOT put PSDs in these trucks.
and ford has offered the 6.7 cummins in their "heaviest duty applications" (>f350) for the last few years, so whats that say about your psd? (that they dont put in those trucks)
ALSO. . .comin from a company that exports an enormous small car-diesel feet to europe, without offereing them to the u.s., opens a debate that not only would lead to the verification that they arent putting the "best engine candidate" into their vehicles at "the best price" (goes for all vehicles for sale in the u.s.), but also a political debate that the gov't is not allowing them to do so.
Ford to Offer V-10 Gas Engine for Medium-Duty Chassis cab Trucks
Why does that bother you guys? We're seeing 1,000 MPGs of Urea consumption, and the stuff costs ~$4.00/gallon. In 9,000 miles I've spent precisely $11.88 plus tax on the stuff. Where's the issue?
and ford has offered the 6.7 cummins in their "heaviest duty applications" (>f350) for the last few years, so whats that say about your psd? (that they dont put in those trucks)
ALSO. . .comin from a company that exports an enormous small car-diesel feet to europe, without offereing them to the u.s., opens a debate that not only would lead to the verification that they arent putting the "best engine candidate" into their vehicles at "the best price" (goes for all vehicles for sale in the u.s.), but also a political debate that the gov't is not allowing them to do so.
Ford to Offer V-10 Gas Engine for Medium-Duty Chassis cab Trucks
Why does that bother you guys? We're seeing 1,000 MPGs of Urea consumption, and the stuff costs ~$4.00/gallon. In 9,000 miles I've spent precisely $11.88 plus tax on the stuff. Where's the issue?
ya cant win that argument. . .
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Not if you want it to start.
That's Methane. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) is almost all Methane. And you don't use it in a diesel, it's burned in a "gasser". Ford actually had bi-fuel versions of the V10 and 5.4 that burned either CNG/gasoline or Propage/gasoline.
I think your wrong here. The weight difference between the gas engines and diesels is just that. I haven't found a difference between the suspensions or chaises. Granted there might be a difference in the fuel fill spouts etc but that's a component of the engines type of fuel not the chasis.
If I wanted to put a completely new drivetrain into my '01, I'd seriously consider that... a 3-valve, with 6-speed.
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the truth that what, gas burns cleaner than diesel? LOL
only, i repeat, ONLY if gas was fired off compression ignition could a comparison even be made (and it still wouldnt win). low compression spark ignition is by far too inefficient to even remotely attempt to make a comparison between the two . . . on paper, someone can make it SEEM as though it is dirtier to support their agenda (the EPA, barry, al gore, and people of the like are doing it right now, and have been for years). in the real world diesels are much cleaner, and much better for the envirtonment. and the latest epa mandated emission equipment on new diesel trucks DO NOT HELP.
only, i repeat, ONLY if gas was fired off compression ignition could a comparison even be made (and it still wouldnt win). low compression spark ignition is by far too inefficient to even remotely attempt to make a comparison between the two . . . on paper, someone can make it SEEM as though it is dirtier to support their agenda (the EPA, barry, al gore, and people of the like are doing it right now, and have been for years). in the real world diesels are much cleaner, and much better for the envirtonment. and the latest epa mandated emission equipment on new diesel trucks DO NOT HELP.
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is this a serious question? a lotta people are bothered by spending 50+ grand on a truck/motor combo that really has no reputation, with "clean" technology that really has no sound necessity/reasoning (the latest 6.7 cummins doesnt use it) on a substance that needs to be refueled at non-readily available refilling stations. . . .ya cant just go on a long hauling trip across the country and find yourself in need of urea. . .allthewhile shootin diesel down your tailpipe to satisfy the dpf's demands. . . . . . . . . .
ya cant win that argument. . .
ya cant win that argument. . .
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The 8.1 makes less power and less torque.
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Which ones, which fuel (ULSD?) and which emissions equipment are we talking about here?