Gas vs PSD
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This was in response to someone recommending the timesert and where I got my post from.
Some one recommended this solution to a guy who asked how to fix the problem.
Hmmm, so going to a head with more threads should fix the problem?? I thought you said that the problem isn't with the older heads only having 4 threads? If the problem is with installation error how then how is having more threads going to help them? If you can't screw it in 4 threads then you're not going to do any better with 8.
Here is another that had an insert blow out. According to his research it won't stay in because it's stainless and the head is aluminum.
So where am I not reading what other members post and how am I spreading false information? I am taking my info straight from our fellow FTE members that YOU say have never had this problem. I can find more of these all day long.
Some one recommended this solution to a guy who asked how to fix the problem.
Hmmm, so going to a head with more threads should fix the problem?? I thought you said that the problem isn't with the older heads only having 4 threads? If the problem is with installation error how then how is having more threads going to help them? If you can't screw it in 4 threads then you're not going to do any better with 8.
Here is another that had an insert blow out. According to his research it won't stay in because it's stainless and the head is aluminum.
So where am I not reading what other members post and how am I spreading false information? I am taking my info straight from our fellow FTE members that YOU say have never had this problem. I can find more of these all day long.
Granted I did install it myself, and followed the directions to the tee, but I don't consider myself a expert mechanic.
All of the posts you referenced said they paid a "shop" to perform the repair. I'm sure they were reputable shops, but you can never tell. Also, what "inserts" did they use? From what I remember the timesert kit wasn't cheap, so maybe they used another insert?
Who knows?
All I know is I'm confident in the insert I put in, and I haven't had any other plugs shoot out in the 60,000 or so miles I've put on the truck since then.
(I'll probably have a plug shoot out tomorrow after I've bragged about the repair)
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I can only speak from experience from one diesel. A friends 2000 7.3l F450 Dump truck. When I used it once in the winter, it took alot longer for the engine to come up to temp and a lot longer for it to throw hot air. Big difference between that one and my gas pickups.
I'm not going to argue too much about that because you probably have experience with more than one diesel and are familar with that issue, but now you know how I came up with that; it did come from an experience I had, I didn't take it from hear say or make it up.
I must also say that this V10 in my '09 is the quickest engine to reach operating temp that I ever owned.
I'm not going to argue too much about that because you probably have experience with more than one diesel and are familar with that issue, but now you know how I came up with that; it did come from an experience I had, I didn't take it from hear say or make it up.
I must also say that this V10 in my '09 is the quickest engine to reach operating temp that I ever owned.
I also only notice the cold start up problems on our older, bigger diesels. The ones without glow plugs. A little bit of ether or some gas on a rag and they fire right up though. Then we have to let it idle for God knows how long before it's ready to go pick the load up.
I won't argue with you on that last part. In that 5 minutes to the main road my 5.4 is already at the RM on "NORMAL" and my others are right around the N. They are all blowing hot air by then, but the 5.4 is the only one thats at full operating temp.
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I'm with krewet on this one. I've currently got a insert installed(that I installed in a parking lot with the head still on) and have put close to 50,000 miles on. Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm pretty confident in the repair.
Granted I did install it myself, and followed the directions to the tee, but I don't consider myself a expert mechanic.
All of the posts you referenced said they paid a "shop" to perform the repair. I'm sure they were reputable shops, but you can never tell. Also, what "inserts" did they use? From what I remember the timesert kit wasn't cheap, so maybe they used another insert?
Who knows?
All I know is I'm confident in the insert I put in, and I haven't had any other plugs shoot out in the 60,000 or so miles I've put on the truck since then.
(I'll probably have a plug shoot out tomorrow after I've bragged about the repair)
Granted I did install it myself, and followed the directions to the tee, but I don't consider myself a expert mechanic.
All of the posts you referenced said they paid a "shop" to perform the repair. I'm sure they were reputable shops, but you can never tell. Also, what "inserts" did they use? From what I remember the timesert kit wasn't cheap, so maybe they used another insert?
Who knows?
All I know is I'm confident in the insert I put in, and I haven't had any other plugs shoot out in the 60,000 or so miles I've put on the truck since then.
(I'll probably have a plug shoot out tomorrow after I've bragged about the repair)
Just curious, but what caused your plug to shoot out? The two guys I quoted mentioned what kind of insert they used. I may not have posted it though. I had to edit out a lot of useless stuff they said that took up half a page. One said he used a heli coil and the other said timesert. Several other people mentioned having to pay over 4 thousand dollars to have theirs fixed at the dealer. If you take the 6.0 and the v10 to the dealer, both problems can rup upwards of 4k dollars. If both of them are fixed at home, it's going to be in the hundreds. Most of the v10 guys I talk to though give the price to fix the v10 as what it would cost them at home and then quote the 6.0's price at the dealer, so it looks like a $250 problem vs a $4,000 problem.
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Of course you agree with krewat, you v10'ers have to stick together Just curious, but what caused your plug to shoot out? The two guys I quoted mentioned what kind of insert they used. I may not have posted it though. I had to edit out a lot of useless stuff they said that took up half a page. One said he used a heli coil and the other said timesert.
Several other people mentioned having to pay over 4 thousand dollars to have theirs fixed at the dealer. If you take the 6.0 and the v10 to the dealer, both problems can rup upwards of 4k dollars. If both of them are fixed at home, it's going to be in the hundreds. Most of the v10 guys I talk to though give the price to fix the v10 as what it would cost them at home and then quote the 6.0's price at the dealer, so it looks like a $250 problem vs a $4,000 problem.
Just curious, but what caused your plug to shoot out? The two guys I quoted mentioned what kind of insert they used. I may not have posted it though. I had to edit out a lot of useless stuff they said that took up half a page. One said he used a heli coil and the other said timesert. Several other people mentioned having to pay over 4 thousand dollars to have theirs fixed at the dealer. If you take the 6.0 and the v10 to the dealer, both problems can rup upwards of 4k dollars. If both of them are fixed at home, it's going to be in the hundreds. Most of the v10 guys I talk to though give the price to fix the v10 as what it would cost them at home and then quote the 6.0's price at the dealer, so it looks like a $250 problem vs a $4,000 problem.
If I didn't find this site, I doubt I would still own the truck. To say I was pissed off at the truck and Ford in general is a understatement. Nothing like working in a parking lot in 30 degree weather installing one of those inserts
I agree about the repair costs. Ford is awfully proud of their parts, regardless of engine.
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I'm with krewet on this one. I've currently got a insert installed(that I installed in a parking lot with the head still on) and have put close to 50,000 miles on. Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm pretty confident in the repair.
Granted I did install it myself, and followed the directions to the tee, but I don't consider myself a expert mechanic.
All of the posts you referenced said they paid a "shop" to perform the repair. I'm sure they were reputable shops, but you can never tell. Also, what "inserts" did they use? From what I remember the timesert kit wasn't cheap, so maybe they used another insert?
Who knows?
All I know is I'm confident in the insert I put in, and I haven't had any other plugs shoot out in the 60,000 or so miles I've put on the truck since then.
(I'll probably have a plug shoot out tomorrow after I've bragged about the repair)
Granted I did install it myself, and followed the directions to the tee, but I don't consider myself a expert mechanic.
All of the posts you referenced said they paid a "shop" to perform the repair. I'm sure they were reputable shops, but you can never tell. Also, what "inserts" did they use? From what I remember the timesert kit wasn't cheap, so maybe they used another insert?
Who knows?
All I know is I'm confident in the insert I put in, and I haven't had any other plugs shoot out in the 60,000 or so miles I've put on the truck since then.
(I'll probably have a plug shoot out tomorrow after I've bragged about the repair)
I was talking to a ford mechanic yesterday at O'reillys.
He told me they use an air gun for the heads, plugs every thing on the motor but the bottom end.
I think that ones done by a shop should not be counted.
You have no clue what the shop did.
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I believe the plugs were originally over torqued by the previous owner, and those specific threads were damaged. The plug worked itself loose over time(I could hear it ticking, I thought it was an exhaust leak). All this happened within 10,000 miles of me owning it, and was the reason I found FTE.
If I didn't find this site, I doubt I would still own the truck. To say I was pissed off at the truck and Ford in general is a understatement. Nothing like working in a parking lot in 30 degree weather installing one of those inserts
I agree about the repair costs. Ford is awfully proud of their parts, regardless of engine.
If I didn't find this site, I doubt I would still own the truck. To say I was pissed off at the truck and Ford in general is a understatement. Nothing like working in a parking lot in 30 degree weather installing one of those inserts
I agree about the repair costs. Ford is awfully proud of their parts, regardless of engine.
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Don't worry Bill, I posted your reply to it 
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From: Texas
I know you were.
this thread has all but died, I still want to see a 6.4 vs 3v V10 test .
this thread has all but died, I still want to see a 6.4 vs 3v V10 test .
"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
This thread should have died a long time ago, but my V10 is still running with all 10 plugs!
