Gas vs PSD
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I have pulled 9k (gross of almost 17k) in 5th gear and never downshift and have never seen less than 15 mpg. (at 65 mph)
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I'll also add a little more info. I am also 18, and I too have alot of towing, hauling, and wrenching expierience under my belt. (for an 18 year old)
I work on Ford Powerstrokes for a living, (have also worked on gassers) and have pulled a whole bunch of Fords (among other things) around with my truck(s). The highest gross I have ever had to date was 19,200 and my then current truck was a 95 F-350 CC dually.
I have no issue giving the V10 it's due. It is a very capable engine and will get the job done. But for someone doing a lot of towing, you will never beat a diesel for practical performance and fuel economy.
I work on Ford Powerstrokes for a living, (have also worked on gassers) and have pulled a whole bunch of Fords (among other things) around with my truck(s). The highest gross I have ever had to date was 19,200 and my then current truck was a 95 F-350 CC dually.
I have no issue giving the V10 it's due. It is a very capable engine and will get the job done. But for someone doing a lot of towing, you will never beat a diesel for practical performance and fuel economy.
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Most of the heavy stuff I have towed has been scrap washers, dryers and refrigerators. Stacking that stuff up to the widest and tallest thats legal, it has to move a ton of air. The faster you go, the worse it gets.
When I have hauled other things that don't grab so much wind but weigh just as much and I have been suprised at how well it pulls in O/D.
You have to remember that my V10 is the least powerful version that Ford only used from 97-99 before uping the power. I'm 97 HP short of an 05.
I'll also add a little more info. I am also 18, and I too have alot of towing, hauling, and wrenching expierience under my belt. (for an 18 year old)
I work on Ford Powerstrokes for a living, (have also worked on gassers) and have pulled a whole bunch of Fords (among other things) around with my truck(s). The highest gross I have ever had to date was 19,200 and my then current truck was a 95 F-350 CC dually.
I work on Ford Powerstrokes for a living, (have also worked on gassers) and have pulled a whole bunch of Fords (among other things) around with my truck(s). The highest gross I have ever had to date was 19,200 and my then current truck was a 95 F-350 CC dually.
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I have been working on vehicles since age 17, professionally since age 18. It happens... If u want something so bad, u can make it happen if u work hard enough...
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I have been slacking a bit the past week. I had an unfortunate event happen at home that required me to spend some time in the emergency room, so I haven't been online much. I go back to the dr tomorrow to see if I am going to need surgery. If I do, you all may be hearing quite a bit from me as I am confined to the couch for about a week straight lol.
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Back when diesel was 2.65 and gas was 2.55 here I was one of the people vehemently defending the psd when it came to fuel costs. Here lately gas has been 2.63 and diesel 3.05 here, so my psd hasn't seen the road in 3 months.
Having a lot of low end torque just means you can do the same work in a higher gear and at a lower rpm. My 7.3 has a lot more tq than my 5.4, but my 5.4 will run off and leave it loaded or unloaded. It just isn't in the same gear or at the same rpm. Tq is important when pulling a load, but it's tq in the form of tractive force and not engine tq. Im still more than willing to get together and do some pulling any time you are up this way. Any other stock engines are more than welcome to come along too.
Having a lot of low end torque just means you can do the same work in a higher gear and at a lower rpm. My 7.3 has a lot more tq than my 5.4, but my 5.4 will run off and leave it loaded or unloaded. It just isn't in the same gear or at the same rpm. Tq is important when pulling a load, but it's tq in the form of tractive force and not engine tq. Im still more than willing to get together and do some pulling any time you are up this way. Any other stock engines are more than welcome to come along too.
I don't need anybody to defend diesel prices. I clearly see the benifits in a 4 mpg spread even at .50 deficit. Its the others that can't see the advantage.
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Better rear gears can really help it, I have just not done it yet.
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Not poorly designed, just out dated. It has the same gear ratios as in 1987 when it was introduced as the E4OD, the replacement of the C6. For 1998 they beefed it up and called it the 4R100, but the gearing stayed the same.
Better rear gears can really help it, I have just not done it yet.
Better rear gears can really help it, I have just not done it yet.
My buddy's 07 has the torqushift,4:30 gears, and 362 hp and is still a sucky towing v10 especially when you get over 15k gcw. That's not saying it can't. It more than well can.
Yesterday I got to pull some hay test driving a 6.2l. The hay weighted 9700lbs on a 20' tag alone trailer. The rearend has 430 gears. Now this is with the new 6 speed auto. Heading west to redbay on 24 there's a lot of small hills and talk about gear search. Talk about screaming just to pull. It did it even though it costed me. My milage was 8mpg. I'm not faulting cause this is on a new drive train. It might get better later on.
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In 98, ( 99 MY) when the Superdutys went into prodution, the 4R100 hands down beat the crappy autos the chevy and dodge were using.
Ford does not spend money to make something better if they don't have competition.
My buddy's 07 has the torqushift,4:30 gears, and 362 hp and is still a sucky towing v10 especially when you get over 15k gcw. That's not saying it can't. It more than well can.
Yesterday I got to pull some hay test driving a 6.2l. The hay weighted 9700lbs on a 20' tag alone trailer. The rearend has 430 gears. Now this is with the new 6 speed auto. Heading west to redbay on 24 there's a lot of small hills and talk about gear search. Talk about screaming just to pull. It did it even though it costed me. My milage was 8mpg. I'm not faulting cause this is on a new drive train. It might get better later on.
Yesterday I got to pull some hay test driving a 6.2l. The hay weighted 9700lbs on a 20' tag alone trailer. The rearend has 430 gears. Now this is with the new 6 speed auto. Heading west to redbay on 24 there's a lot of small hills and talk about gear search. Talk about screaming just to pull. It did it even though it costed me. My milage was 8mpg. I'm not faulting cause this is on a new drive train. It might get better later on.
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When it comes to proffesional hauling it is the economy that counts, not the adrenaline factor. Diesel will save you tons of money and the comparisons like above are fun, not the real issue. Right now we are at the beginning of heating season, so diesel, being heating fuel is in high demand. Than comparing small city station that sells diesel at high premium is a propaganda on its own. I am in Vegas right now. Even most of the stations want $3.19 for diesel, I keep on filling up for $2.95. Take opening buddy site to find stations with good price.
Regular is maybe 3 cents, maybe 5 less what I am paying for diesel. Than I can find stations with regular over $3 as well.
Regular is maybe 3 cents, maybe 5 less what I am paying for diesel. Than I can find stations with regular over $3 as well.
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6.8 hands down. I pulled 2 more loads of hay today. Man the 6.2 is gutless. Well unless the pcm has a break in mode to it. I drove the truck around and unloaded its still weak. I tried to figure out the manual selection on the tranny but couldn't.
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Allot of guys with the 3V 6.8s say that they are a dissapointment when they first got them, but after some miles they just came alive.
It would not surprise me if the 6.2 is the same way.
A 400 HP engine should not be gutless.
How high was it revving?
It would not surprise me if the 6.2 is the same way.
A 400 HP engine should not be gutless.
How high was it revving?
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Diesel will save you tons of money and the comparisons like above are fun, not the real issue. Right now we are at the beginning of heating season, so diesel, being heating fuel is in high demand. Than comparing small city station that sells diesel at high premium is a propaganda on its own. I am in Vegas right now. Even most of the stations want $3.19 for diesel, I keep on filling up for $2.95. Take opening buddy site to find stations with good price.
Regular is maybe 3 cents, maybe 5 less what I am paying for diesel. Than I can find stations with regular over $3 as well.
Regular is maybe 3 cents, maybe 5 less what I am paying for diesel. Than I can find stations with regular over $3 as well.
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I havent had the chance to pull with the new 6.2. But i have drove one. I noticed that most of the power is top end. Doesnt seem to have much grunt. But i still thought they ran pretty well, but like i said i havent had the chance to pull with one yet...