Gas vs PSD
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As a machinist, I'm constantly amazed by people who cannot tell which fraction is larger just because they have differing denominators. Am I the only one who paid attention in the 5th grade?
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That was bad conversion of my standard joke comparing the metric and SAE systems.
Working in metric I know right away that 19 mm wrench is bigger than 17 mm and 2 mm drill bit is smaller than 3 mm.
In SAE comparing 41/64 to 5/8 is not so easy as well comparing 3/64 to 0.225".
USA was converting to metric about 30 years ago. What happened to this idea?
Working in metric I know right away that 19 mm wrench is bigger than 17 mm and 2 mm drill bit is smaller than 3 mm.
In SAE comparing 41/64 to 5/8 is not so easy as well comparing 3/64 to 0.225".
USA was converting to metric about 30 years ago. What happened to this idea?
What you don't understand is most of America isn't the spoiled rich that the rest of the world think we are. We are the hard working middle class. We are the mechics, carpenters, masons, drivers, etc. Etc. General math is our everyday.
What happened to us converting to metric? Cause its stupid. Almost nothing is even. Kilo 2.2lbs, liter 16.4?ozs. Mton 2200lbs. 1lb 16ozs. Pint 16ozs. Ton 2000lbs. All can be broke down evenly.
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From: Airdrie Alberta
Its stupid, thats funny! If you convert to it, then 1 kilo is 1 kilo, oh my god thats even! I liter is, oh my god 1 liter, so hard to work with. Ignorance is bliss though. And ignorance obviously goes in all directions in this thread.
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Now that we are "off topic" I'll say what I think is stupid: Not making up their minds (manufacturers) so that we have both metric and S.A.E. on our vehicles, so that you never get the right size the first time unless you know the vehicle very very well.
Now I'll make an "on topic" comment.
For those arguing about HP vs. TQ
Bill's V10 has almost 50% more HP than my truck has, but if I had the same amount of HP, I would outtow him so bad....
Now I'll make an "on topic" comment.
For those arguing about HP vs. TQ
Bill's V10 has almost 50% more HP than my truck has, but if I had the same amount of HP, I would outtow him so bad....
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Oh you are so smart. I'm not ignorant. I can convert anything you can throw at me. Every unit has a lower unit. Yes 1 liter is even but break it down. Let's say you need half a liter of something. That's 8.2ozs. What's even about that. Whsts the point in having 200lbs added to a ton. 1 kilo is after all 1 kilo. All I need is 1lb. Now I'm leaveing 1lb and 2ozs. Sae just makes more sense. But your to smart for me. Yea metric is stupid
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From: Jessup, PA
Oh you are so smart. I'm not ignorant. I can convert anything you can throw at me. Every unit has a lower unit. Yes 1 liter is even but break it down. Let's say you need half a liter of something. That's 8.2ozs. What's even about that. Whsts the point in having 200lbs added to a ton. 1 kilo is after all 1 kilo. All I need is 1lb. Now I'm leaveing 1lb and 2ozs. Sae just makes more sense. But your to smart for me. Yea metric is stupid
You are jumping back and forth between units. If you're using metric stay in metric.
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Man you have a very low opinion of americans. 41/64 > 5/8 by 1/64th. That is a lot easier to do in the head for most than figuring. Which is larger 3/64 or .225. Which we can do 2 different ways. Change the dec to fraction or fraction to dec. So what you have is 3÷64=.047 or .225/1000=1/4. 3/64<.225. This is elementry math.
What you don't understand is most of America isn't the spoiled rich that the rest of the world think we are. We are the hard working middle class. We are the mechics, carpenters, masons, drivers, etc. Etc. General math is our everyday.
What happened to us converting to metric? Cause its stupid. Almost nothing is even. Kilo 2.2lbs, liter 16.4?ozs. Mton 2200lbs. 1lb 16ozs. Pint 16ozs. Ton 2000lbs. All can be broke down evenly.
What you don't understand is most of America isn't the spoiled rich that the rest of the world think we are. We are the hard working middle class. We are the mechics, carpenters, masons, drivers, etc. Etc. General math is our everyday.
What happened to us converting to metric? Cause its stupid. Almost nothing is even. Kilo 2.2lbs, liter 16.4?ozs. Mton 2200lbs. 1lb 16ozs. Pint 16ozs. Ton 2000lbs. All can be broke down evenly.
Wow, I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything you actually understand. The purpose of metric is not to serve as a conversion for S.A.E., it is a measurement system all to itself. Since everything is based on a factor of 10, your complaint about "breaking it down " will probably provide forum entertainment for another day or 2.
BTW, give Mozilla Firefox a try, it has a built-in spelling checker.
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So does Google Chrome. (try Linux OS, the entire OS has a spell checker)
The whole point of this is getting warped. Metric and SAE are 2 separate systems. They are not just there to make the other look bad or good.
The whole point of this is getting warped. Metric and SAE are 2 separate systems. They are not just there to make the other look bad or good.
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Wow, I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything you actually understand. The purpose of metric is not to serve as a conversion for S.A.E., it is a measurement system all to itself. Since everything is based on a factor of 10, your complaint about "breaking it down " will probably provide forum entertainment for another day or 2.
BTW, give Mozilla Firefox a try, it has a built-in spelling checker.
BTW, give Mozilla Firefox a try, it has a built-in spelling checker.
Kajtek was making suggestions of converting back and forth between sae and metric. My answer is simply its stupid cause we american have a system and for us to us metric would be a mixing of the 2. Instead of going and getting a gal of gas you'd be getting 3.8ls. If tried using liters. The 3 liter around here anyway didn't do to good. I understand that metric system isn't using ozs to make its liters. I was saying just what I mean. To convert you would have to re teach a whole country how to measure stuff. How to rethink. Seems much easier to just know how to convert. Which I can show you i know how to do.
Oh my BlackBerry has a spell check. Sometimes I forget to check to make sure its still checking. I can't spell worth a flip. You replied so you understood me and that's all I care about.
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My neighbor gets 9-10 mpg's out of his 6.0 and all of the company trucks we had on our job sites got less than 15 mpg's. My cousin got about 18 mpg's out of his, which is the best I have seen personally with my own eyes, but I would believe someone if they said they got in the 20 range with theirs.
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I just looked up the fuel cutoff again and I found several places that said 4,200 and a few that said 3,600, so I will go with the 4,200 you say. However, the 6.0 makes peak hp of 325 at 3,000 rpm, so we know that it doesn't make more than 325 hp at 4,200 rpm. Doing the hp equation in reverse to get tq, it shows that even if the 6.0 makes 325 hp at 4,200 rpm(which it doesn't) it would only have a tq rating of (325 hp x 5,252/4,200 rpm)=406 tq. That is less tq and hp than the 6.8 has at 4,200 rpm by quite a bit, so in that comparison you are actually doing worse in the same gear at the same rpm than the 6.8(and more than likely a 3v 5.4). Running a diesel past peak hp is pointless because the power drop off is a whole lot worse than it is in a gasser.
My neighbor gets 9-10 mpg's out of his 6.0 and all of the company trucks we had on our job sites got less than 15 mpg's. My cousin got about 18 mpg's out of his, which is the best I have seen personally with my own eyes, but I would believe someone if they said they got in the 20 range with theirs.
My neighbor gets 9-10 mpg's out of his 6.0 and all of the company trucks we had on our job sites got less than 15 mpg's. My cousin got about 18 mpg's out of his, which is the best I have seen personally with my own eyes, but I would believe someone if they said they got in the 20 range with theirs.