Gas vs PSD
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
See what I mean? Every time things calm down, along comes another, out of the blue, trying to stir the pot.
Then, if a PSD owner gives it back, along comes a mod telling us to quit, so I can empathize with Jac08's frustration. I realize it could be worse and Krewat could just flip the cover on his "ban button" and press it at will, which he hasn't done. Because he hasn't, he's earned himself a few grains of respect...(kidding about grains there, Mr. Krewat)
My point is I have NEVER started with the name calling; I just give it back. Last night 2 different people with absolutely NOTHING to contribute, and who weren't involved in the conversation I was having with another member both flew in here squawking away, and **** all over everything like a couple of seagulls before flying off. Both of them own V10's...
So, do V10 owners have some mental defect that makes them angry when they see, hear, smell, or get their butts kicked by a PSD? Just curious...hehehe
Then, if a PSD owner gives it back, along comes a mod telling us to quit, so I can empathize with Jac08's frustration. I realize it could be worse and Krewat could just flip the cover on his "ban button" and press it at will, which he hasn't done. Because he hasn't, he's earned himself a few grains of respect...(kidding about grains there, Mr. Krewat)
My point is I have NEVER started with the name calling; I just give it back. Last night 2 different people with absolutely NOTHING to contribute, and who weren't involved in the conversation I was having with another member both flew in here squawking away, and **** all over everything like a couple of seagulls before flying off. Both of them own V10's...
So, do V10 owners have some mental defect that makes them angry when they see, hear, smell, or get their butts kicked by a PSD? Just curious...hehehe
Try sitting yourself in my seat, I've consistently said the 6.4 is a better engine than my V10, the price just wasn't worth the benefits in my case. Presented plenty of facts to back me up. Yet I get called names, and I'm not talking about ********, my kid is plenty proof that mine work fine.
I'm talking about the other names that got filtered out, that would start bar fights, even though this isn't exactly a bar as he claims.
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Reason hwy is simple, because there is a market for it. It might be small, but if Ford can make a buck at it, why not? It's not like they have to develop the engine.
The market would be trucks that aren't used on the roads often. For instance say a truck that is used inside, where noise and exhaust are issues. Or say a tow yard, where the truck might be started 50 times and only driven a total of 2-3 miles a day. In these cases a gasser would be a better option. Since Ford had the gas engine made already, and no competition, why not?
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
"And for those of us that use our truck 90% of time as a normal vehicle (i.e. not a truck) the V10 actually makes quite a bit of since."
Even those of us that do use our truck as a truck 90% of the time the V10 makes sense! My truck weighs almost 7 tons empty, and routinely pulls 6-8 tons behind it with no problems. Something my 6.0 could only dream of. A 6.4 or 6.7 may get up the hill first, but I'll get up that hill every time, and without a struggle. Sometimes it will downshift a gear, but I've never had to push the rpm to get up the hills either. I remember my dads old 460 trucks pulling trailers up big hills as low as 40 MPH, foot flat to the floor. That is not the case with the V10's. They are way better than the old 460's ever were. Stock for stock, both my V10's are quicker than my 7.3's were. I remember really liking my 94.5 PSD's power. Back then it seemed like a lot. The V10's are very capable and most of all RELIABLE!
Even those of us that do use our truck as a truck 90% of the time the V10 makes sense! My truck weighs almost 7 tons empty, and routinely pulls 6-8 tons behind it with no problems. Something my 6.0 could only dream of. A 6.4 or 6.7 may get up the hill first, but I'll get up that hill every time, and without a struggle. Sometimes it will downshift a gear, but I've never had to push the rpm to get up the hills either. I remember my dads old 460 trucks pulling trailers up big hills as low as 40 MPH, foot flat to the floor. That is not the case with the V10's. They are way better than the old 460's ever were. Stock for stock, both my V10's are quicker than my 7.3's were. I remember really liking my 94.5 PSD's power. Back then it seemed like a lot. The V10's are very capable and most of all RELIABLE!
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
What ********? I see other people on here cussing don't see you quoting them. You know we are all adults here and this thread is like having a conversation at a local bar and there will be cuss words that will pop up. So stop making a big deal with the cussing and these little name calling. It's not like I called in a motherfer or anything of that nature. You guys need to grow some *****.
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
And another thing... "giving it back" is just as bad as giving it in the first place. No place for it here.
This thread has lived a long long life. It would be a shame to kill it now because of a few "children" that can't control themselves.
This thread has lived a long long life. It would be a shame to kill it now because of a few "children" that can't control themselves.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,868
Likes: 9
From: Rhode Island
There is a difference between cussing and personal attacks. If you lived in an apartment and kept calling your neighbor "********" I don't think your landlord would appreciate that very much. 
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?
Brett Foote
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!
Michael S. Palmer
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 2
My V10 has made me money every single day for 18 months straight. Something my 6.0 could only dream of. It was in the shop every 3-4 months on average. Most 6.4's can't claim they spent the last year and a half without staying overnight in the dealer. I get paid towing break downs, I didn't want to be one. My main reason for getting the V10 when I ordered it.
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
I said a bad word and got an infraction, so he isn't just picking on you. He gets on us too when we say things we shouldn't.
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
Case in point, the "16-year-old" that "borrowed" his father's FTE account for a few days.
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
My V10 has made me money every single day for 18 months straight. Something my 6.0 could only dream of. It was in the shop every 3-4 months on average. Most 6.4's can't claim they spent the last year and a half without staying overnight in the dealer. I get paid towing break downs, I didn't want to be one. My main reason for getting the V10 when I ordered it.
Those are issues that I am not willing to deal with especially when the people I know personally that have those trucks get 12 mpg or less. Reliability, fuel mileage, cost to operate and power to tow anything the truck can handle are my top priorities. My 5.4 meets more of those requirements compared to the 6.0's and 6.4's that I know personally.
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 696
Likes: 1
From: Melissa TX
Yeah adults don't cuss, adults never insults other adults do they? Give me a break. I love the other websites where I can speak what's on my mind and what I think of other people and not have to worry about mod ****'s.
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 696
Likes: 1
From: Melissa TX
I don't doubt you make lots of torque, but saying you're making over 700 hp and 1300 lb-ft of torque with $1900 is a bit of a stretch.
20 mpg I can easily believe, that is above average, but still very doable. I've also heard others that get close to 20, but haven't seen anyone get 23 mpg on a regular basis yet.
The 6.7 is also a great motor so far, but only time will tell if it will be reliable. I certainly hope it will be.
Ford still puts the V10 in the F350/450 chassis-cab, although admittedly I would just get the 6.2 with a bed. It has far more potential the the 5.4 IMO. It also has more hp than the V10, although less torque and develops all of this at higher RPM's than the V10, but again people who tow consistently should probably look at the 6.7 IMO. And yes it can tow just as much as the V10, I wouldn't have a problem getting the 6.2 to do what I'm doing right now with my V10. With the improved V8 gasser, the dated V10 really has no place IMO.
I think I see the problem here. Your thinking I choose the V10 because I didn't think the PSD was up to the task. The opposite is the truth though, it's only the price that stopped me from getting the PSD. I got the V10 because I thought the 5.4 wouldn't do what I needed it to, and for $700 it was a good upgrade from the 5.4.
20 mpg I can easily believe, that is above average, but still very doable. I've also heard others that get close to 20, but haven't seen anyone get 23 mpg on a regular basis yet.
The 6.7 is also a great motor so far, but only time will tell if it will be reliable. I certainly hope it will be.
Ford still puts the V10 in the F350/450 chassis-cab, although admittedly I would just get the 6.2 with a bed. It has far more potential the the 5.4 IMO. It also has more hp than the V10, although less torque and develops all of this at higher RPM's than the V10, but again people who tow consistently should probably look at the 6.7 IMO. And yes it can tow just as much as the V10, I wouldn't have a problem getting the 6.2 to do what I'm doing right now with my V10. With the improved V8 gasser, the dated V10 really has no place IMO.
I think I see the problem here. Your thinking I choose the V10 because I didn't think the PSD was up to the task. The opposite is the truth though, it's only the price that stopped me from getting the PSD. I got the V10 because I thought the 5.4 wouldn't do what I needed it to, and for $700 it was a good upgrade from the 5.4.
And I agree that if you really don't need the psd then get the v-10. The 5.4 is a dog in a super duty and it's well worth the 700 dollar upgrade to the v-10.
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 696
Likes: 1
From: Melissa TX
All trucks/engines are going to have their problems. I am just as quick to blame Ford for the spark plug spitters as I am for the issues with the 6.0 and 6.4. It's just a matter of what issues I am willing to deal with and which ones I am not. One guy with a "reliable" 6.4 said he is on his 3rd radiator by 85k miles. Having to change the turbo, egr equipment, head gasket, fuel injector, etc on the 6.0 every time they go out isn't something I want to do either. Those are issues that I am not willing to deal with especially when the people I know personally that have those trucks get 12 mpg or less. Reliability, fuel mileage, cost to operate and power to tow anything the truck can handle are my top priorities. My 5.4 meets more of those requirements compared to the 6.0's and 6.4's that I know personally. It can't tow a load in 5th gear at 2k rpm up a 10% grade like the 6.0 or 6.4 can, but it's never had any trouble with anything I have hooked to it.
I said a bad word and got an infraction, so he isn't just picking on you. He gets on us too when we say things we shouldn't.
I said a bad word and got an infraction, so he isn't just picking on you. He gets on us too when we say things we shouldn't.