I suppose you don't read the posts, huh? I'm not posting here to make friends with you, or anyone else. I get along with 99% of the diesel people, and then there are the people like YOU that are so misled it's pathetic. Your comment about people distancing themselves is a childish attempt to divide. Sigmund Freud discussed your behavior in detail, but it's been years since I took psychology.

Do me a favor, and quit responding to my posts. This will be my last to you.

 

I live with that just fine. The better question is why should I have spent $7k on a PSD. I have yet to be presented with a single reason why I should regret my purchase; only that my engine sucks and can't pull without any facts to back that up.

How does the PSD drive better? It's noisy and smells and somehow it drives better? Are going to tell me the truck drives down the road better? Because that has quite a bit more to do with the truck than just the engine.

Truth is though, if you look back 20 years ago, people were pulling the same size trailers they pull today, and doing it with gas engine trucks that had 255 hp and 385lb-ft (like my old 454 Chevy). In that respect even the 5.4L is better engine, specially since most of those older trucks had 3 speeds and the 5.4 comes with 5 speeds.

How much excessive power do you really need? I know I don't need to spend $7k on an engine that doesn't increase the towing capacity of my truck or help it in anyway other maybe get better mpg on more costly fuel. Heck for the money I saved from NOT buying a PSD, I can buy a nice used car and get WAY better mpg than any PSD.

It seems more like you can't live with the fact that a V10 CAN do what a PSD can do. And for those of us that use our truck 90% of time as a normal vehicle (i.e. not a truck) the V10 actually makes quite a bit of since.

 

Boeings run on jet fuel, I think that was already covered a while back.

Many smaller, personal aircraft's do run on gas though. Of course it's 101 octane leaded gasoline, but it's gasoline. They are generally turbo charged though to help compensate for altitude changes.

 

"And for those of us that use our truck 90% of time as a normal vehicle (i.e. not a truck) the V10 actually makes quite a bit of since."

Even those of us that do use our truck as a truck 90% of the time the V10 makes sense! My truck weighs almost 7 tons empty, and routinely pulls 6-8 tons behind it with no problems. Something my 6.0 could only dream of. A 6.4 or 6.7 may get up the hill first, but I'll get up that hill every time, and without a struggle. Sometimes it will downshift a gear, but I've never had to push the rpm to get up the hills either. I remember my dads old 460 trucks pulling trailers up big hills as low as 40 MPH, foot flat to the floor. That is not the case with the V10's. They are way better than the old 460's ever were. Stock for stock, both my V10's are quicker than my 7.3's were. I remember really liking my 94.5 PSD's power. Back then it seemed like a lot. The V10's are very capable and most of all RELIABLE!

 

why don't you guys just change this thread to v-10 & v-8 VS 7.3. Cause that is all you gas people are comparing too. Not once has any of you compare your so call "badass" gas engines and do just as much as a psd to a 6.0, 6.4, or 6.7. I mean the new ones do ride better, aren't loud at all, or smell. Put your face up to the exhaust pipe of a stock 6.4 or 6.7 and you hardly smell anything. And you want a good reason to regret from your purchase is mpg. Empty or towing the psd will get better mpg. And has far as maintance goes. I can go to walmart and get 3 5 quart jugs of fordmotor craft oil for 36 bucks and a oil filter for 18. That is pretty close to what I was spending on my 08 5.4 with mobil 1. I don't know how much fuel filter cost but right now I'm getting 23 mpg on the hwy about 8-10 more mpg then I did with the 5.4. So why don't you gasser guys man up and start comparing your trucks to the 6.0, 6.4, or the 6.7L. I know you won't cause there is no comparison, the "newer" diesels will come out on top.

 

I keep comparing a 2v 5.4 and 7.3 because I own the two and they are comparable as far as year model.

Most of the 6.4 guys I talk to say they get around 15 mpg, which is pretty close to what a lot of v10 say they get too. With diesel costing 40 cents more per gallon that actually makes the v10 cheaper to drive.

Seriously? Comparing the least expensive conventional oil you can buy for your diesel to one of the most expensive synthetic oils you can get for your 5.4? Compare conventional to conventional or synthetic to synthetic if you want a fair comparison. I can get 7 quarts of conventional and a filter for my 5.4 for about the same as what your oil filter costs.

 

I've compared my 6.8L many times to my friends 6.4L. He may get better mpg than I do, but he still spends more money per mile on fuel than I do because of the higher costs of diesel. If you think mpg is reason to regret buying a V10, than you obviously have not crawled out of your little highway only mpg world and seen how these trucks do in stop and go traffic at low speed, because they ALL get crap for mpg. I'm not even going to touch you getting "23 mpg on the highway." Heck, I'll get 40 mpg if go down a 6 mile hill and put the truck in neutral.

You want a comparison:
His 6.4 costs him over $7,000 more
His 6.4 gets 2 mpg better than me in the stop an go slow traffic, his fuel costs $0.30 more than mine, he spends $0.02 more per mile in fuel than I do.
His 6.4 is louder than my 6.8
His 6.4 can tow far easier than my 6.8, for the whole 1,000 miles a year I tow...
His 6.4 costs more in maintenance, there is more to maintaining a diesel than just oil
In the 1 year since we have owned our trucks, mine was in the shop for 2 hours because the stupid tech that did the oil change put 13 quarts of oil in the engine it (it's suppose to have 6.5), his 6.4 was in the shop for 2 weeks for an injector (granted most of that time was the dealers fault for ordering the wrong injector).

Yes, your 6.4 is quieter than the 7.3, but it's still loud compared to any normal running gas engine. The 6.7 is much better than any previous PSD, but still not as quite as a gasser. Yes they smell better too, but even the 7.3's smell better now that low sulfur diesel is out. But again, you're just saying your truck smells better than a 7.3, compare that to a gas engine.

Seem to me you're the one comparing your engine to the 7.3, not us...

I didn't mention maintance, but since you brought it up, you spend $54 on an oil change that you do, I spend $22 and have someone else do it. If you put Mobil 1 full synthetic in your 5.4, that's your fault.

Finally: STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH! I never said this engine was "badass" contrary to what you think, I (and almost everyone here) has consistently said the PSD is a better engine, it doesn't justify the extra cost in our case.

Plain and simple truth is that a PSD doesn't meet every single super duty owner's needs.

 

Yes, they run on Jet-A, and a CI engine can run on Jet-A also. Let's put some in a spark ignition engine and see what happens with it... I have a better chance of running Jet-A aka JP8 in my truck than anyone with a gasser. However, that dude jumped in with his nonsense, so I gave nonsense right back. That's what people fail to realize. You and I discuss things, but when someone flies in here out of the blue attacking me (ok, they're just words) then I give it right back. That's all that happens. Then they cry, get all butt-hurt, and say *everyone is turning against you* which doesn't actually bother me at all as this is the Internets. I'll be ok....go on without me...

 

To be honest, the best I've gotten from mine on any consistent basis is 14 mpg when driving highway in relatively flat Ohio. My friends 6.4 gets 18 on the same 150 mile stretch of road. Around town mine is at 10 and his is at 12 mpg. In the city it is pretty much a wash considering fuel costs. On the highway, the PSD is cheaper.

edit: others might get 1 more mpg because of a 4.10 rear end.

 

Whoever uses synthetic in a diesel is a idoit especially when you change your oil every 5k miles. And the only reason why I said mobil 1 is because from other gas threads that is what most people use on this forum. I know there are alot cheaper oil out there for gas engines but you hardly at least on here seee people use them. And is that 15 mpg on the hwy or avg mpg for fill up. And if that is per fill up then I call a big bs on the v-10 part. And it seems like the 09-10 6.4 get alot better mpg then the 08's. I don't know why but even on here down in the 6.4 section there are guys getting 18 mpg on the hwy bone stock. I'm getting alot better cause of the mods I have done to the truck. And I'm just not talking about you just comparing the 7.3, there are alot of people in this thread comparing their trucks to the 7.3.

 

I get 15-16mpg around town unless I'm sitting at light after light, which is rare. I keep my tires at 70psi which I know helps a little.

 

Yes, you can run JP8 in a diesel engine too, that was it's initial purpose, to be the fuel for everything military. But the military did that because of logistics, not because it ran better or anything like that.

However, after working with JP8 on a very small and limited basis, I'm not so sure I would want to use consistently in a diesel truck. Despite the fact that stuff sticks to everything, I think it might ware out some parts of the truck faster than normal. Specifically rubber and plastic parts. It might also pose a problem with carbon deposition in the engine it's self IMO. But most military trucks have very low miles compared to civilian trucks, so this might not be an issue for them.

 

Hey ******** do you see the mods in my sig. Yes I can get that on the hwy. And since that is mostly what I drive then yes that is all I'm pretty much compare to. And yes every v-10 guy thinks their engines are badass cause supposely it can haul and tow just as much as a psd. I've seen the new 6.7L pull 100k pounds before, do you really think a v-10 can do that? And I know my truck is alot better then the 7.3 so I don't have to compare my truck to it. All you gasser people are comparing your trucks to the 7.3. You hardly see anyone in here compare there gas enignes to the new psd. And about the noise it's a DIESEL for god sakes. I'm not a ***** and worry about the noise or the smell. It's a real man truck if you guys are so worry about noise or smell go drive a tree hugger honda or something. Are you sure you guys don't have vaginas?

 

I love this thread. Maybe best thread on the nets?

Gassers don't have to do a stupid regen for the DPF or have urea pissed into your exhaust. How sissy. There is nothing about the regen process that is good for the engine. The new diesels are just slaves to the environmentalists.

 

That's why I took my DPF off.