Gas vs PSD
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I tow a 12,000-13,000 lb horse trailer for anywhere between 25-250 miles at a time. I live in WV, so it's through the mountains.
I'm sure a 5.4 COULD do it, like I said earlier, the 5.4 has more power than my old '88 Chevy 3500 dually with a 454 and it did it... slowly. But for $700 I thought the V10 could handle the job better. I'm generally one to get the best engine I can, within reason. But I don't want to add 25% of the MSRP of the truck, so the PSD wasn't an option, unless used. But the used market didn't make sense because my truck was cheaper than most of the 2 year old PSD's with 20-30k miles (of course they were Lariats and stuff like that while mine is an XL).
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Reason hwy is simple, because there is a market for it. It might be small, but if Ford can make a buck at it, why not? It's not like they have to develop the engine.
The market would be trucks that aren't used on the roads often. For instance say a truck that is used inside, where noise and exhaust are issues. Or say a tow yard, where the truck might be started 50 times and only driven a total of 2-3 miles a day. In these cases a gasser would be a better option. Since Ford had the gas engine made already, and no competition, why not?
The market would be trucks that aren't used on the roads often. For instance say a truck that is used inside, where noise and exhaust are issues. Or say a tow yard, where the truck might be started 50 times and only driven a total of 2-3 miles a day. In these cases a gasser would be a better option. Since Ford had the gas engine made already, and no competition, why not?
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He isn't "borrowing" it anymore. You claim to have been "lenient" on me, but I don't see you saying SQUAT to those who pop in here, let off a personal attack, don't even discuss the topic, and take off. That's the very definition of bias...or collusion.
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The market is quite large, actually, they seem to be targeting municipalities where it's cost-effective and desirable to have a truck that runs on gasoline and propane, or gasoline and natural gas. As I said previously, my '01 was available with the "bi-fuel" option of running either gas/propane or gas/CNG.
In some places, it might be nice/necessary to have a large truck that runs either fuel, doesn't make a lot of NOISE, or ODOR, and is somewhat more environmentally friendly. I know here on Long Island a lot of townships/villages/whatever are looking into trucks like this. It's a booming business.
The V10 has already been produced as bi-fuel, AND Ford has a prototype that runs on hydrogen with a blower. Ford Hydrogen V10
There's a lot more choices of what fuel to run with the V10 than with a diesel. It's either bio-diesel, pure diesel or reclaimed oil turned into diesel.
Matter of fact, the local sanitation trucks here in Lindenhurst are NOT diesel. They certainly don't SOUND like diesel, and the certainly don't SMELL like diesel. They are either gasoline or bi-fuel. But forget that, in reality, it takes a diesel to pull 10 tons of garbage to the land-fill, right?
In some places, it might be nice/necessary to have a large truck that runs either fuel, doesn't make a lot of NOISE, or ODOR, and is somewhat more environmentally friendly. I know here on Long Island a lot of townships/villages/whatever are looking into trucks like this. It's a booming business.
The V10 has already been produced as bi-fuel, AND Ford has a prototype that runs on hydrogen with a blower. Ford Hydrogen V10
There's a lot more choices of what fuel to run with the V10 than with a diesel. It's either bio-diesel, pure diesel or reclaimed oil turned into diesel.
Matter of fact, the local sanitation trucks here in Lindenhurst are NOT diesel. They certainly don't SOUND like diesel, and the certainly don't SMELL like diesel. They are either gasoline or bi-fuel. But forget that, in reality, it takes a diesel to pull 10 tons of garbage to the land-fill, right?
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Lets lighten the mood for a minute!
V-10 vs PSD?
460 wins!..............
I can tow anything you guys can, a little slower, more fuel, but I still get there!
I can fix anything on a 460 for relatively dirt cheap, on my own without need of dealership service.
Summit can help me build a BEAST of a 460.
At the end of the day, I am not in hock for a $55,000 truck!
But I still miss that new truck smell!
V-10 vs PSD?
460 wins!..............
I can tow anything you guys can, a little slower, more fuel, but I still get there!
I can fix anything on a 460 for relatively dirt cheap, on my own without need of dealership service.
Summit can help me build a BEAST of a 460.
At the end of the day, I am not in hock for a $55,000 truck!
But I still miss that new truck smell!
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I only paid $39,900 for my 09 F550 Lariat supercab, 4X4 chassis, loaded with options. I wouldn't pay $55K for a pickup either.
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I wonder how long it will be until Ford offers $10k rebates on those trucks? Pretty sad IMO when dealers order all those high end trucks, then Ford has to discount them so the dealers can move them and buy more.
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Yeah, then how much did you put into it once you got it from Ford? Although that is fine, you need to do that for your work. Those of us not making money with our trucks are in a different boat.
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One more time, read the guidelines, especially paragraph 9, and get back to the real topic of this thread.
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You mean..."let's get back to the fifth reiteration of the same arguments about the high points of the psd vs. the V10." Just remember, horsepower means nothing. It's all about torque. 
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I tow a 12,000-13,000 lb horse trailer for anywhere between 25-250 miles at a time. I live in WV, so it's through the mountains.
I'm sure a 5.4 COULD do it, like I said earlier, the 5.4 has more power than my old '88 Chevy 3500 dually with a 454 and it did it... slowly.
I'm sure a 5.4 COULD do it, like I said earlier, the 5.4 has more power than my old '88 Chevy 3500 dually with a 454 and it did it... slowly.
The thing that gets me is when someone with a psd(let's say a 6.0) will brag about how their truck will pull 10k lbs up a hill in OD at 2k rpm no problem and then say that a 5.4 won't even pull itself up a hill. At 2k rpm under full boost the 6.0 is making 217 hp. The 5.4 makes that same hp at just above 3k rpm AND is in a lower gear, but somehow can't even pull a bag of groceries up a hill?
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Exactly....