Gas vs PSD
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That dyno "reading" you posted is obviously BS as the 6.0 keeps gaining torque well above its peak according to it. Please don't tell me you would believe ANYTHING K&N publishes... Ford puts out their dyno numbers from the FLYWHEEL. so if a 6.4l PSD makes 385hp/650lb/ft of torque, it's going to kick the hell out of a V10 that makes a lot less torque, both in power, AND mileage. It's a stupid argument.
I threw out my "theory" as a tongue-in-cheek way of competing with the other stupid ones I've read throughout this thread. Whenever someone does that, you don the Captain Literal suit and start talking smack....
I threw out my "theory" as a tongue-in-cheek way of competing with the other stupid ones I've read throughout this thread. Whenever someone does that, you don the Captain Literal suit and start talking smack....
take a chill pill. i highly dought that that dyno run was "bs". i do love it when someone wants proof and you give them what they asked for by a trusted source and they dismiss it as "bs" because it doesnt help their "theory". happens all the time on here.
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No, K&N is notorious for showing "Dyno Runs" for vehicles that rev higher than the vehicle will rev, or in this case, create torque well past the max torque rating. Anything to sell a filter. *Slap this filter in your vehicle, and you'll gain 20hp and 60lb/ft of torque. Here's our dyno sheet to prove it...*
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This is nice. You accuse me of calling you names, which I never did, and then you call me one. I love the internet!
The funny thing is that I could post overwhelming proof to you, which I think I have a few times earlier in this thread, and it simply wouldn't matter to you.
I'm glad you like your truck. I think that's something most of us can say about ourselves here on FTE. Most of us don't need to succumb to the "my truck is the ONLY truck on the road" mentality to justify their purchase. Furthermore, most of us don't need to overstate our truck's power output by 35 HP in an attempt to prove a point, thinking nobody would notice your 385 HP claim.
So if I'm Captain Literal, you're the type of poster who can't be wrong and obviously owns the best truck in the world and who thinks anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. Which makes it worthless debating anything with you.
Have a nice day, maybe someone else will indulge your blind PSD devotion, at least until you buy something else.
The funny thing is that I could post overwhelming proof to you, which I think I have a few times earlier in this thread, and it simply wouldn't matter to you.
I'm glad you like your truck. I think that's something most of us can say about ourselves here on FTE. Most of us don't need to succumb to the "my truck is the ONLY truck on the road" mentality to justify their purchase. Furthermore, most of us don't need to overstate our truck's power output by 35 HP in an attempt to prove a point, thinking nobody would notice your 385 HP claim.
So if I'm Captain Literal, you're the type of poster who can't be wrong and obviously owns the best truck in the world and who thinks anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. Which makes it worthless debating anything with you.
Have a nice day, maybe someone else will indulge your blind PSD devotion, at least until you buy something else.
I couldn't care less what ANYBODY is driving. I entered the Frey here when the mod closed the other thread. In that thread, all I'd said was that I was happy I'd moved from an F150, to a 250 PSD and was impressed with my mileage. You and your gasser friends then entered the thread talking **** and calling us idiots in more ways than one. I'm just returning the favor. You can try the "on the fence" stance if you'd like, and over-analyze the subject at hand all you'd like, but the fact is the PSD makes a ****-ton more torque than the V10, which makes it a stronger engine.
P.S. You do like to call people names. It's not unusual. Some people are just that way, then deny they do any such thing. I will call people names right back, and won't deny it.
All said, the V10 can't hang with the PSD.
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Wow I am not sure why you gave me negative rep and called me a troll in the comment! And I'm far from a cheerleader. I wouldn't look good in a skirt. I guess if you feel better about yourself now that's fine by me. At least I was willing to put my truck up against anyone else's and not just talk smack.
Oh well I'm headed on vacation guys. Have fun and look forward to reading this thread when I get back and seeing how much more negative rep ChargerFanInCO can give out for a simple comment referring to a real world test.
Oh well I'm headed on vacation guys. Have fun and look forward to reading this thread when I get back and seeing how much more negative rep ChargerFanInCO can give out for a simple comment referring to a real world test.
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And you need to stop taking this so seriously, especially with giving negative rep to people here.
This is EXACTLY why PSD vs. V10 (or any other engine-vs-engine) theads have been frowned upon by moderators for years.
I let this one go because everyone was being an ADULT about it.
Now everyone calm down and play nice in the sand box.
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The fact remains that if you look objectively at the debate, there are times the V10 makes sense, and times that the PSD makes sense.
To act childish about discussing it, well, unsubscribe from the thread and ignore it if you can't play nice in the sand box.
This is EXACTLY why PSD vs. V10 (or any other engine-vs-engine) theads have been frowned upon by moderators for years.
I let this one go because everyone was being an ADULT about it.
Now everyone calm down and play nice in the sand box.
--
The fact remains that if you look objectively at the debate, there are times the V10 makes sense, and times that the PSD makes sense.
To act childish about discussing it, well, unsubscribe from the thread and ignore it if you can't play nice in the sand box.
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Dude, my Fusion will carry 12 bags of mulch in it. It would handle the drums too if they'd fit, especially since they are EMPTY. Your Bronco was on a TRAILER. I put the 3000lbs of dirt I was referring to IN THE BED of my truck. 800lbs of ROCK in the bed was definitely overloading my F150, and it was on the bump stops. 3000lbs of dirt in the bed of my F250 was overloading it, but the engine didn't know it was there. Feel free to read into that now, and I'll clarify again if needed. I wasn't talking about the engine on my F150 having troubles with 800lbs of rock. I was talking about the payload being slightly overstated which is why I switched. I don't tow much, but I haul a LOT.
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And you need to stop taking this so seriously, especially with giving negative rep to people here.
This is EXACTLY why PSD vs. V10 (or any other engine-vs-engine) theads have been frowned upon by moderators for years.
I let this one go because everyone was being an ADULT about it.
Now everyone calm down and play nice in the sand box.
--
The fact remains that if you look objectively at the debate, there are times the V10 makes sense, and times that the PSD makes sense.
To act childish about discussing it, well, unsubscribe from the thread and ignore it if you can't play nice in the sand box.
This is EXACTLY why PSD vs. V10 (or any other engine-vs-engine) theads have been frowned upon by moderators for years.
I let this one go because everyone was being an ADULT about it.
Now everyone calm down and play nice in the sand box.
--
The fact remains that if you look objectively at the debate, there are times the V10 makes sense, and times that the PSD makes sense.
To act childish about discussing it, well, unsubscribe from the thread and ignore it if you can't play nice in the sand box.
I apologize for loving my truck after owning a 2008 Lariat F150 as my last one. This one is much more capable for my needs than the other one was.
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One cubic yard of dirt weighs far more than 1000 pounds. It's somewhere between 100 - 125 pounds per cubic foot. 27 cubic feet per yard makes it somewhere between 2700/3375 pounds per yard. Aside from the fact that 3 cubic yards won't fit in the back of a pickup, do you really expect anyone to believe you put somewhere between 8100 and 10,125 pounds in the bed of a pickup and "couldn't tell it was back there"?
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If that 800 lbs of rock was overloading your f150, then I have no comment on that. But if it it was struggling, it wasn't because of the 5.4. I don't think anyone here is debating the differences between a 150 and a 250 though. No one really cares either. We are talking about ENGINES. My point (and Tom's and Mike's) is that the v10 can and will do everything a PSD does in terms of pulling power, it just has to turn twice the rpm's. My 5.4 will pull the same trailers as my 7.3, but if you look at my tach in the video I have to keep it above 4k rpm to do so. My 7.3 will make the same pull at 2500 rpm. Either way, they both get the same job done.
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Please.....
One cubic yard of dirt weighs far more than 1000 pounds. It's somewhere between 100 - 125 pounds per cubic foot. 27 cubic feet per yard makes it somewhere between 2700/3375 pounds per yard. Aside from the fact that 3 cubic yards won't fit in the back of a pickup, do you really expect anyone to believe you put somewhere between 8100 and 10,125 pounds in the bed of a pickup and "couldn't tell it was back there"?
One cubic yard of dirt weighs far more than 1000 pounds. It's somewhere between 100 - 125 pounds per cubic foot. 27 cubic feet per yard makes it somewhere between 2700/3375 pounds per yard. Aside from the fact that 3 cubic yards won't fit in the back of a pickup, do you really expect anyone to believe you put somewhere between 8100 and 10,125 pounds in the bed of a pickup and "couldn't tell it was back there"?
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Please.....
One cubic yard of dirt weighs far more than 1000 pounds. It's somewhere between 100 - 125 pounds per cubic foot. 27 cubic feet per yard makes it somewhere between 2700/3375 pounds per yard. Aside from the fact that 3 cubic yards won't fit in the back of a pickup, do you really expect anyone to believe you put somewhere between 8100 and 10,125 pounds in the bed of a pickup and "couldn't tell it was back there"?
One cubic yard of dirt weighs far more than 1000 pounds. It's somewhere between 100 - 125 pounds per cubic foot. 27 cubic feet per yard makes it somewhere between 2700/3375 pounds per yard. Aside from the fact that 3 cubic yards won't fit in the back of a pickup, do you really expect anyone to believe you put somewhere between 8100 and 10,125 pounds in the bed of a pickup and "couldn't tell it was back there"?
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Other comments aside...
Which is perfectly reasonable. HOWEVER - having never owned a V10, don't bash those who do without any basis.
This thread is about the V10 versus the PSD. Not about your 2008 6.4L versus a 1/2-ton V8 with what seems like questionable gearing.
This thread is about the V10 versus the PSD. Not about your 2008 6.4L versus a 1/2-ton V8 with what seems like questionable gearing.