Gas vs PSD
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Nope, your v10 didn't come with a turbo, we can't compare that... i'm tired of hearing all these guys saying oh well my V10 will pull more than a diesel if i have 4.30 gears and they have 3.73s. if you think that your ENGINE has the nutz to do what a diesel can do, put it in the same scenario as a diesel is. hell i can make a go cart pull a lot if i gear it low enough.
2010 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | FordVehicles.com
V10 towing capacity: 15,600lbs (16,100 if F350) with 4.30 gears.
6.4 PSD towing capacity: 15,300lbs with 3.55 gears (most aggressive offered in 2010 for the SRW PSD).
Maybe you should argue with Ford, not us?
Am I going to say that my V10 can out tow a PSD, no. Why? because the engine is not limiting the towing capabilities of the truck. Both the V10 and PSD can tow well beyond what can safely be towed by the rest of the truck. Can on engine do it easier than the other? Yes, but both can do it, end of story.
I'm tired of all these PSD guys saying they how crappy the V10 is. If you truck is so dam strong, go pull an 80,000 tractor-trailer up a hill at 70 mph.
so now what will my 7.3's tractive force be with 4.10's and manual trans. engine torque currently is 870 to the wheels at less than 2000 RPM on a smaller tune. I do agree that a diesel, even with higher fuel costs right now, is still cheaper to pull with all day long. can i wrap the RPM like a gasser? NO. Do i need to in order to do the same or more amount of work?? NOPE. i never need to get my engine over 2400 RPM unless i'm on the drag strip..
superior IMO means the all around performance of your vehicle in every scenario you can put it through. all around reliability and longevity? modification friendly? bang for the buck. sled pulling, drag racing, towing, etc. How many things do y'alls V10's do better than a diesel does? i mean truely better than a PSD. the PSD gets better mileage in all cases... the diesel will last longer, they are very mod friendly(with a little extra injector capacity you can go a long way w/ stock turbo, heads, etc.) i can drive my diesel to the drag strip and run it all day long and drive it home getting 20+mpg there and back. they like the sled track too, they tow excellent... a V10 just isn't favored in many if any of these situations FOR ME... for some of you obviously y'all would rather have to twist 3000 RPM to get a load moving... this is just me so if you feel differently the truth is, i really don't care. LOL
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I cannot say yes or no either way. The owner said it was running perfectly well before and after the test. The smoke he said was from a loose exhaust clamp if I remember right.
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I would have to admit that if I needed a buy a truck for a tow rig/dd and I couldn't have a 7.3l, then I'd get a 5.9 Cummins. Diesel truck is going to be the most capable tow rig in my opinion.
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No if they had a 6.0 that blew up they would have wen to dodge or chevy. They know that when you buy a diesel its not only just a truck but a tool. Your buying the engine to do the job. I think its funny how all the v10 guys here say how they can tow better than the diesel but do they notice the majority if not all the truck that tow those 5 car hauler trailer all drive diesel. Try pulling a 12k trailer up the 15 freeway called cajon pass with your v10 and you'll see all the diesel truck fly passed you. and at the top of the hill when you just ate a quarter tank just getting up it, the diesel will still head on to vegas while you have to fill up at barstow.
See, now you are putting words into people's mouth. Who said their V10 can tow better than a PSD? Please quote that.
Your right buying a truck is like buying a tool. I take it you use a sledge hammer to pound in 1" nails right? It's got the cajon to do it right?
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Did you even bother to read the whole thread? I put in 800lbs of extra weight to offset the configuration difference. Also I was running fairly new 33's and the 7.3 was running somewhat wore out 35's and I think a 3" lift. Conclusion: Those things made little to no difference to the fact it got totally beat by the end of the run.
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For a crew cab, short bed, 4x4 with an auto tranny, and SRW from Ford's website:
2010 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | FordVehicles.com
V10 towing capacity: 15,600lbs (16,100 if F350) with 4.30 gears.
6.4 PSD towing capacity: 15,300lbs with 3.55 gears (most aggressive offered in 2010 for the SRW PSD).
Maybe you should argue with Ford, not us?
Am I going to say that my V10 can out tow a PSD, no. Why? because the engine is not limiting the towing capabilities of the truck. Both the V10 and PSD can tow well beyond what can safely be towed by the rest of the truck. Can on engine do it easier than the other? Yes, but both can do it, end of story.
I'm tired of all these PSD guys saying they how crappy the V10 is. If you truck is so dam strong, go pull an 80,000 tractor-trailer up a hill at 70 mph.
I don't take mine over 2400 RPM on a regular basis either. Yes the diesel is cheaper to pull with, but what if you don't pull that often? What if 90% of the time you're driving empty? And what if you don't drive often? Then the economics aren't in the PSD's favor.
Glad to see we agree that we have different needs. You forgot one thing though, how much does the PSD cost compared to the V10... And I bet your PSD won't get anything near 20 mpg driving what I drive. Most 4 cylinder cars are lucky to get that around here.
2010 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | FordVehicles.com
V10 towing capacity: 15,600lbs (16,100 if F350) with 4.30 gears.
6.4 PSD towing capacity: 15,300lbs with 3.55 gears (most aggressive offered in 2010 for the SRW PSD).
Maybe you should argue with Ford, not us?
Am I going to say that my V10 can out tow a PSD, no. Why? because the engine is not limiting the towing capabilities of the truck. Both the V10 and PSD can tow well beyond what can safely be towed by the rest of the truck. Can on engine do it easier than the other? Yes, but both can do it, end of story.
I'm tired of all these PSD guys saying they how crappy the V10 is. If you truck is so dam strong, go pull an 80,000 tractor-trailer up a hill at 70 mph.
I don't take mine over 2400 RPM on a regular basis either. Yes the diesel is cheaper to pull with, but what if you don't pull that often? What if 90% of the time you're driving empty? And what if you don't drive often? Then the economics aren't in the PSD's favor.
Glad to see we agree that we have different needs. You forgot one thing though, how much does the PSD cost compared to the V10... And I bet your PSD won't get anything near 20 mpg driving what I drive. Most 4 cylinder cars are lucky to get that around here.
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I agree, I don't think that truck was healthy, and I don't buy it was an exhaust clamp.
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I do know the ET was wasn't right do to the placement of the probe in the exhaust manifold. It was rapidly fluctuating and reading high because of this.
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Isn't that what this whole thread is about? The v10 guys are saying their engine is better and the PSD are saying theirs is better. So are you saying the PSD does tow better? Your question is leaning toward that side.
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And with that I agree 100%, I would even add that if you drive lots of miles it makes sense. But some people are just flat out talking like the V10 can barely pull the truck it's in.
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