Broken, ignorant mentality. Towing for a living with a tractor trailer rig and comparing those engines to light-duty pickup engines is so wrong it's not even funny. Are you or anyone else in the thread towing a trailer the size and weight of a semi's trailer? No, you're not. If you honestly think the light-duty PSD will do that job-you're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist.
JL

 

well if a truck driver would rather have a diesel over his v10 im sure that is enough said. A trucker knows how something is supposed to be towed and has way more experience in that category than anyone. I would take his experience over your opinion any day.

 

He knows how a tractor trailer tows. This means nothing as to how EVERY trailer should or can be towed.
JL

 

why should an engine have to get so high in the RPM band to pull??? high RPM will always wear out engines faster.... ALWAYS. nobody here can tell seriously say that an engine that runs 5000+RPM a lot will ever last longer than an engine that has never seen above 3000 RPM in it's life. simple fact there.. bearings and rings wear out in any engine whether it be gas or diesel. I keep seeing people saying, "well if we put a turbo on the V10 it will do what the diesel does going up long grades w/ a load". Well guess what people... THEY DIDN'T COME WITH ONE SO WE CAN'T COMPARE THAT HERE. Now bring your V10 down to 3.55 or 3.73 gears and see if you can hang. i know i have no problems pulling my loads with 3.55's and it would pull way better with 4.10's IMO, but this truck sees a lot of drag strip time as well so no 4.10's for me. If the V10 guys are going to use the factory options excuse then ease up on wanting to add turbos and stuff.

Nope, your v10 didn't come with a turbo, we can't compare that... i'm tired of hearing all these guys saying oh well my V10 will pull more than a diesel if i have 4.30 gears and they have 3.73s. if you think that your ENGINE has the nutz to do what a diesel can do, put it in the same scenario as a diesel is. hell i can make a go cart pull a lot if i gear it low enough.

so now what will my 7.3's tractive force be with 4.10's and manual trans. engine torque currently is 870 to the wheels at less than 2000 RPM on a smaller tune. I do agree that a diesel, even with higher fuel costs right now, is still cheaper to pull with all day long. can i wrap the RPM like a gasser? NO. Do i need to in order to do the same or more amount of work?? NOPE. i never need to get my engine over 2400 RPM unless i'm on the drag strip..

superior IMO means the all around performance of your vehicle in every scenario you can put it through. all around reliability and longevity? modification friendly? bang for the buck. sled pulling, drag racing, towing, etc. How many things do y'alls V10's do better than a diesel does? i mean truely better than a PSD. the PSD gets better mileage in all cases... the diesel will last longer, they are very mod friendly(with a little extra injector capacity you can go a long way w/ stock turbo, heads, etc.) i can drive my diesel to the drag strip and run it all day long and drive it home getting 20+mpg there and back. they like the sled track too, they tow excellent... a V10 just isn't favored in many if any of these situations FOR ME... for some of you obviously y'all would rather have to twist 3000 RPM to get a load moving... this is just me so if you feel differently the truth is, i really don't care. LOL

 

me and my buddy got 19 mpg in his 04 350 pulling a 22ft searay! but the 6L psd is a pos. my buddy has replaced 2 hpop (one every year!) and the third went out a year ago! and it is still sitting in the weeds! and he is still paying on it!

ford should have addressed the issue instead of scrapping the 6L cause other than that it was a great motor!

 

And yet, Ford produced the Superduty with two gas engines. The discussion is not about semis.

There are many reasons, but "alternative" usually means "non-fossil-fuel". Bio-diesel is easy to make, easy to use, etc. etc.

And yet, this thread is not about that. I can make a V10 run on ethanol, quite easily. It's been done. It can run on propane/natural gas as a generator (another place diesel is regularly used is in gensets, and yet V10's are used in industrial applications all over the place).

Ford produced the Superduty in "Bi-Fuel" configuration. Both in a propane/gasoline and natural-gas/gasoline mode. Why? Because there was a market for it. And I can tell you, it wasn't for weekend warriors towing travel trailers all over the place.

Yes, you took two people as examples, and they are both already diesel drivers. People stick with what they know. If he had bought an early 6.0 and it blew the head gaskets, would he have been so quick to buy another diesel next time he needed a Superduty-class towing vehicle?

Me, I've driven diesels in the past, as a job. Maintained the vehicles I drove too... rebuilt one, replaced multiple turbos on the another one, yada yada yada... never again. Thank God I wasn't the one paying for it.

 

Few people have the finical ability to buy such a truck straight up. Secondly, if the rate of return on your investment account is only 5%, you'll be luck to see 3% by the time everyone gets done dipping their hands into it (i.e. investment firm, Uncle Sam, etc.). Keep in mind most low interest rate on trucks are require you to give up a significant rebate on the truck, so if you actually have the ability to buy the truck straight up, your probably better to do so and save the money.



No I did not borrow from my 401k, but the $7k for a diesel would have jacked my truck payments up by $125 per month. After buying my truck, I did increase my 401k contribution, since I didn't buy as an expensive of a truck at I thought I was going to. So yes, the value of my 401k was irrelevant the day I bought the truck, but one year later it is not. My 401k is worth more now than it was a year ago, and the increased contribution from not buying a diesel is worth more than if I had use the money to make payment. And it will be even more relevant when the truck is paid off.

If you really want to cut it down, my 401k went up 5% this year. So just this year alone I've got an extra $886 (5% compounded monthly with a $125 monthly payment) versus paying $875 and getting about a 90% return, meaning its worth about $788. So you're talking about a $100 difference. Of course the real difference is after 5 years or so when we'll be talking about $1000's of dollars difference.

That said, there is no guarantee on my 401k, just like there is no guarantee on the price of a diesel.

That would be true if people had no other options. But honestly I would take a Dura-diaper over a used 6.0 or 6.4 setting on a dealer lot. Mostly because I know those engines are problematic. Most people getting rid of them will be upgrading to the 6.7 because of the problems they had with their previous 6.4's or 6.0's. Sure there will still be some that never had a problem.

In the used market, I would rather buy a truck I think did not have a problem, but the owner simply found they did not need/want the truck. I know I have a better chance of finding that truck as a Chevy than a Ford. Lets face, the average owner will not get rid a of 60,000 mile, 5 year old truck and jump into more payments when that truck works fine.

Even if the facts don't back me, that's the public perception, and often that is far more powerful than the facts.

 

You might want to watch these videos before making a blanket statement like that. It will keep you from getting to beat up in this thread.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ideo-post.html

Conclusion: The 7.3 fell way behind and my old tech V10 (2V, 4R100) somewhat kept up with the 6.0 and 6.4. Still got spanked on the steepest part starting out but did all right when the RPM's came up. A more modern V10 (3V TorqShift) would have competed much more closely.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you about the higher RPM's. But considering how often I tow (probably around 1000 mile a year) I don't really care about the RPM's, my engine is going to get a significant amount of wear from that amount of towing.

my question is why should I bring my gearing down to yours? Why don't we go up into where the gas engine will have an advantage, to the 4.88? Sure you will put down more power, and you'll get a faster start off the line, but when you're at 5th gear at 50 mph and the V10 is still in 2nd or 3rd things will look different. You know this already, that's why you won't put 4.10 in when you drag your truck.

the 3.55 will be to PSD advantage because it can make use of it's short and low RPM power band, where as the V10 would have to wait forever to build the RPMs and get into it's power range.

Lastly, I do not want a turbo. Whoever said they wanted a turbo, I would tell they should have just bought a PSD. You'll have your turbo, probably cheaper, and OE quality which will be better than any home made thing someone comes up with in their garage. I'm happy with my truck stock just the way it is.

 

No if they had a 6.0 that blew up they would have wen to dodge or chevy. They know that when you buy a diesel its not only just a truck but a tool. Your buying the engine to do the job. I think its funny how all the v10 guys here say how they can tow better than the diesel but do they notice the majority if not all the truck that tow those 5 car hauler trailer all drive diesel. Try pulling a 12k trailer up the 15 freeway called cajon pass with your v10 and you'll see all the diesel truck fly passed you. and at the top of the hill when you just ate a quarter tank just getting up it, the diesel will still head on to vegas while you have to fill up at barstow.

 

I like how the 7.3 had the biggest lift, the biggest tires, a LB CC where the truck itself weighs alot more than the v10 which was a super crew short bed, no lift and mild a/t tires.

 

...........bill

 

I liked the test and all, but that 7.3l wasn't right mechanically in my opinion. That smoke wasn't normal, especially on a very stock truck like that.

 

Did you even bother to read the whole thread? I put in 800lbs of extra weight to offset the configuration difference. Also I was running fairly new 33's and the 7.3 was running somewhat wore out 35's and I think a 3" lift. Conclusion: Those things made little to no difference to the fact it got totally beat by the end of the run.

 

Keep going-the more you type, the more you show how blindly biased you are and have no facts to back up your claims.
JL