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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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Keep going-the more you type, the more you show how blindly biased you are and have no facts to back up your claims.
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you kind of sound like someone's 16 yr old son.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kx450frider617
I like how the 7.3 had the biggest lift, the biggest tires, a LB CC where the truck itself weighs alot more than the v10 which was a super crew short bed, no lift and mild a/t tires.
I don't think the V10 should have to add weight so it is equal in weight to a psd. The fact is, the psd is heavier. If it needs to handicap the V10 to make up for it then maybe it isn't as great an engine as you think it is.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mountaineer27
you kind of sound like someone's 16 yr old son.
Far from it.
I prove what I claim with data. I have yet to see much from you guys other than assumptions.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
No. That's what you're ASSuming.
JL
Its says v10 VS psd.

its to know which is better.
i bet your the type of guy that thinks a debate isn't an argument.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kx450frider617
Isn't that what this whole thread is about? The v10 guys are saying their engine is better and the PSD are saying theirs is better. So are you saying the PSD does tow better? Your question is leaning toward that side.

Yes, the PSD does tow better. I never said anything different. It's just that towing does not require you to have a PSD. You can tow with the V10 too. Yes it may not do it as well, but it can do it. And for someone like myself who tows on occasion and only drives 7,000 miles a year, it actually make sense to have the V10.

If I towed all the time or drove all the time, I would have ponied the extra money for the PSD. But I don't, so I didn't have a reason to pay $7k extra for it and engine that will make my occasional towing "easier". I'm confident I can spin my engine to the higher RPM's for about 1,000 miles year and not have blow up.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monster-4
The 800lbs was in my bed (proving once again you did not read nor watch the videos or even look at the pics in the thread) but whatever helps you sleep at night you go right ahead and think.
Heres an example, put 800lb in the back of a pruis and the car can still drive fairly easy, now put 35" tires on it and watch it barely get out of its own weight.
I know its to the extreme but, im just trying to prove a point.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
Far from it.
I prove what I claim with data. I have yet to see much from you guys other than assumptions.
JL
fluffy bunny time again only in my style

 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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fluffy bunny time again only in my style


To much onion/scallion...
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kx450frider617
Heres an example, put 800lb in the back of a pruis and the car can still drive fairly easy, now put 35" tires on it and watch it barely get out of its own weight.
I know its to the extreme but, im just trying to prove a point.

I'm with you on this one. Changing the tire size effectively regears the entire truck. Adding extra weight to the to the other won't have the same effects.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Yes, the PSD does tow better. I never said anything different. It's just that towing does not require you to have a PSD. You can tow with the V10 too. Yes it may not do it as well, but it can do it. And for someone like myself who tows on occasion and only drives 7,000 miles a year, it actually make sense to have the V10.

If I towed all the time or drove all the time, I would have ponied the extra money for the PSD. But I don't, so I didn't have a reason to pay $7k extra for it and engine that will make my occasional towing "easier". I'm confident I can spin my engine to the higher RPM's for about 1,000 miles year and not have blow up.
I'm agreeing with you, I tow a 25ft 10,000lb toy hauler with a 7.3 and a 40ft ball hitch trailer roughly 12,000 with a 6.o and those are always hooked to the trailers so yes they need to be diesel. a v10 can tow both easily but after years of pure towing it's going to show wear. I never said the v10 sucked or can't tow, its just when compared to a diesel that was 100% designed to tow and be durable, reliable, and efficient it doesn't come close. Thats stock to stock though.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kx450frider617
I'm agreeing with you, I tow a 25ft 10,000lb toy hauler with a 7.3 and a 40ft ball hitch trailer roughly 12,000 with a 6.o and those are always hooked to the trailers so yes they need to be diesel. a v10 can tow both easily but after years of pure towing it's going to show wear. I never said the v10 sucked or can't tow, its just when compared to a diesel that was 100% designed to tow and be durable, reliable, and efficient it doesn't come close. Thats stock to stock though.
Stock for stock of course. I'm not into modding trucks, at least new ones.

It's Friday and time for me to go home and
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Yes, the PSD does tow better. I never said anything different. It's just that towing does not require you to have a PSD. You can tow with the V10 too. Yes it may not do it as well, but it can do it. And for someone like myself who tows on occasion and only drives 7,000 miles a year, it actually make sense to have the V10.

If I towed all the time or drove all the time, I would have ponied the extra money for the PSD. But I don't, so I didn't have a reason to pay $7k extra for it and engine that will make my occasional towing "easier". I'm confident I can spin my engine to the higher RPM's for about 1,000 miles year and not have blow up.
I have said once, but will say it again in jrfish007 circumstances it makes sense to have a V10. He doesen't tow frequently and was able to save money on his initial purchase?

I'm just curious as to how many of the V10 guys would buy a V10 if they were going to pull a 20,000 pound load consistently? (Bill's answer doesn't count)
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Seven-Point-Three

I'm just curious as to how many of the V10 guys would buy a V10 if they were going to pull a 20,000 pound load consistently? (Bill's answer doesn't count)
We did at work here. We got rid of a 7.3L manual/4.10 and replaced it with a 6.8L 3V Torqshift/4.30. The 7.3L would get 11 mpg towing our excavator around on the trailer. The V10 truck gets 9 mpg doing the same job. The operator who drives both trucks with the same trailer and excavator says that the 7.3L doesn't hold a candle to the 3V V10 truck in terms of power or towing ability. The 7.3L did get better economy, but the cost difference of the fuel evens it out. Both trucks were stock,and he's driven them both for a long time.
JL
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Seven-Point-Three
I have said once, but will say it again in jrfish007 circumstances it makes sense to have a V10. He doesen't tow frequently and was able to save money on his initial purchase?

I'm just curious as to how many of the V10 guys would buy a V10 if they were going to pull a 20,000 pound load consistently? (Bill's answer doesn't count)
I sure wouldn't, after driving GAS all my life I was shocked at how much usable power the diesels had. all i could say was why didn't i get a diesel in the beginning. I know every diesel owner loves when they approach a hill and with out even giving it more gas the turbo just starts to spool up.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
We did at work here. We got rid of a 7.3L manual/4.10 and replaced it with a 6.8L 3V Torqshift/4.30. The 7.3L would get 11 mpg towing our excavator around on the trailer. The V10 truck gets 9 mpg doing the same job. The operator who drives both trucks with the same trailer and excavator says that the 7.3L doesn't hold a candle to the 3V V10 truck in terms of power or towing ability. The 7.3L did get better economy, but the cost difference of the fuel evens it out. Both trucks were stock,and he's driven them both for a long time.
JL

We got rid of a 7.3L manual/4.10 and replaced it with a 6.8L 3V Torqshift/4.30.-

Few questions

1.what year?
2.What was wrong with the 7.3l?
3.How much is diesel & gas where you work?
 
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