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From: Melissa TX
You need the proper tuning to go with the premium fuel, otherwise your flushing your money down the crapper. Bone stock your better off running 87 or 89 if you have spark knock issues you can't resolve.
What I find funny is jac08f250 was giving JL a hard time about his mpg but had this to post in the last gasser vs diesel thread that Krewat closed.
"I understand that I just don't understand why people don't blieve when people post mpg numbers. I mean damn I'm not saying I'm getting 20 plus mpg out of the 6.4 bone stock cause it can't be done. But it is the internet and there are alot of people out there thinks they know everything."
He seemed to have no problem with the 21mpg one of the 7.3 guys said he was getting. Even though that 21mpg figure is distorted because it was calculated after driving only 22miles.
What I find funny is jac08f250 was giving JL a hard time about his mpg but had this to post in the last gasser vs diesel thread that Krewat closed.
"I understand that I just don't understand why people don't blieve when people post mpg numbers. I mean damn I'm not saying I'm getting 20 plus mpg out of the 6.4 bone stock cause it can't be done. But it is the internet and there are alot of people out there thinks they know everything."
He seemed to have no problem with the 21mpg one of the 7.3 guys said he was getting. Even though that 21mpg figure is distorted because it was calculated after driving only 22miles.
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No, I would not. If I broke a car running nitrous in it I would fix it myself, out of my own pocket. Why should Ford pay for that?
We are not talking about an air intake or chip! You ran a what, 100 shot in a stock 4.6 and hammerd on it?
We are not talking about an air intake or chip! You ran a what, 100 shot in a stock 4.6 and hammerd on it?
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From: Melissa TX
And I'm sorry but the rate the ford dealership charges for parts and labor you better believe I would take free stuff. Plus this dealership is a customer of mine and I hook them up on parts and labor plus warranty stuff.
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Sorry but blowing up two engines and three transmissions with nitrous and having the dealer replace them under warranty is just straight fraud/theft - on your part and the dealers as well, especially if they knew about the mods. Just like all the diesel people that think Dodge/Ford/Chevy should replace their engine/transmission/turbo when they blow them using a tuner. Why do you think they all cracked down so hard on tuners and aftermarket parts? Its because of people doing the very same thing you did. Warranty work is different then a dealer installing parts that had to be bought. Ford has to foot the bill for both parts and labor for warranty work. You're effectively punishing Ford because the dealer charges exuberant rates? Stuff like this is part of the reason why the Big 3 are in such big trouble.(make no mistakes, Ford is doing better then GM/Chrysler but they aren't anywhere close to being out of the water yet)
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From: Melissa TX
Sorry but blowing up two engines and three transmissions with nitrous and having the dealer replace them under warranty is just straight fraud/theft - on your part and the dealers as well, especially if they knew about the mods. Just like all the diesel people that think Dodge/Ford/Chevy should replace their engine/transmission/turbo when they blow them using a tuner. Why do you think they all cracked down so hard on tuners and aftermarket parts? Its because of people doing the very same thing you did. Warranty work is different then a dealer installing parts that had to be bought. Ford has to foot the bill for both parts and labor for warranty work. You're effectively punishing Ford because the dealer charges exuberant rates? Stuff like this is part of the reason why the Big 3 are in such big trouble.(make no mistakes, Ford is doing better then GM/Chrysler but they aren't anywhere close to being out of the water yet)
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Sorry but blowing up two engines and three transmissions with nitrous and having the dealer replace them under warranty is just straight fraud/theft - on your part and the dealers as well, especially if they knew about the mods. Just like all the diesel people that think Dodge/Ford/Chevy should replace their engine/transmission/turbo when they blow them using a tuner. Why do you think they all cracked down so hard on tuners and aftermarket parts? Its because of people doing the very same thing you did. Warranty work is different then a dealer installing parts that had to be bought. Ford has to foot the bill for both parts and labor for warranty work. You're effectively punishing Ford because the dealer charges exuberant rates? Stuff like this is part of the reason why the Big 3 are in such big trouble.(make no mistakes, Ford is doing better then GM/Chrysler but they aren't anywhere close to being out of the water yet)
I'm not saying this helps the situation at hand, just that Ford does keep a hold on their warranty work costs. Otherwise you would have dealers charging $500 an hour for 6 hours to change out a spark plug.
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Yes I know warranty work usually has a set hour rate ( along with a certain specific time the job should be completed in) but Ford still has to foot the bill for the hours and parts that they shouldn't have had to.
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Man I could careless what money ford is out of. Trust me by doing my parts under warranty isn't going to break ford. I much more worried about me being out money. And if they are willing to do stuff under warranty of course I'm going to take it. And if they don't do it under warranty then I won't bitch about it I'll just pay it.
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I can guarantee this guy also turns in fraudulent insurance claims, or soon will.
Amazing... totally amazing.
I don't bring my broken vehicles into Ford, fully knowing they shouldn't be covered, and "work a deal" with the dealer to have it fixed under warranty.
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Something about this whole story sounds fishy anyway - Ford wouldn't replace two engines in a row in the same vehicle without SOME review by a regional rep.
I'd love to see the OASIS report on that one
Amazing... totally amazing.
Originally Posted by jac08f250
Oh yeah if they did something under warranty that they shouldn't you wouldn't take it.
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Something about this whole story sounds fishy anyway - Ford wouldn't replace two engines in a row in the same vehicle without SOME review by a regional rep.
I'd love to see the OASIS report on that one
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From: Melissa TX
Just curious, but what EXACTLY did you damage using spray? Do you have any pictures or even a scan of your work order showing what was replaced? The reason I ask is that I've fed a BUNCH of nitrous into engines and have only rarely damaged anything and that was carbed motors, and even then the damage was minimal. Modern EFI motors are much simpler and much more forgiving and adding a "150 shot" which in reality is more like 80 horsepower at best, is not much at all and certainly not enough to burn a piston. So, what exactly and under what conditions did you break this motor?
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From: Melissa TX
I can guarantee this guy also turns in fraudulent insurance claims, or soon will.
Amazing... totally amazing.
I don't bring my broken vehicles into Ford, fully knowing they shouldn't be covered, and "work a deal" with the dealer to have it fixed under warranty.
--
Something about this whole story sounds fishy anyway - Ford wouldn't replace two engines in a row in the same vehicle without SOME review by a regional rep.
I'd love to see the OASIS report on that one
Amazing... totally amazing.
I don't bring my broken vehicles into Ford, fully knowing they shouldn't be covered, and "work a deal" with the dealer to have it fixed under warranty.
--
Something about this whole story sounds fishy anyway - Ford wouldn't replace two engines in a row in the same vehicle without SOME review by a regional rep.
I'd love to see the OASIS report on that one
I bet if you find a dollar on the ground you try to find who dropped it too. And there is nothing sounds fishy on this. If they can do it under warranty then they do it. If they can't then they I pay for it. They know I do aftermaket stuff to my vehicles. They are fine with that. I have extended warranty on the truck and the engine they know that. So if something breaks within those warranty even if I have aftermarket stuff on they replace it. What is so hard for you guys to understand that. I'm sorry that maybe you guys don't have a connection with a local ford dealership like I do. But damn seems like you v-10 guys are a bunch of titty babies and goodies-goodies.
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Oh yeah you know me so well. I bet if you find a dollar on the ground you try to find who dropped it too. And there is nothing sounds fishy on this. If they can do it under warranty then they do it. If they can't then they I pay for it. They know I do aftermaket stuff to my vehicles. They are fine with that. I have extended warranty on the truck and the engine they know that. So if something breaks within those warranty even if I have aftermarket stuff on they replace it. What is so hard for you guys to understand that. I'm sorry that maybe you guys don't have a connection with a local ford dealership like I do. But damn seems like you v-10 guys are a bunch of titty babies and goodies-goodies.
I bet if you find a dollar on the ground you try to find who dropped it too. And there is nothing sounds fishy on this. If they can do it under warranty then they do it. If they can't then they I pay for it. They know I do aftermaket stuff to my vehicles. They are fine with that. I have extended warranty on the truck and the engine they know that. So if something breaks within those warranty even if I have aftermarket stuff on they replace it. What is so hard for you guys to understand that. I'm sorry that maybe you guys don't have a connection with a local ford dealership like I do. But damn seems like you v-10 guys are a bunch of titty babies and goodies-goodies.Also, I dare you to contact Ford directly next time you need an engine, tell them what mods you've done, what you were doing when it broke, and see if they will replace it for nothing.
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Nitrous bent a rod? No it didn't. I don't buy one part of this story. Nitrous may burn pistons of it's too lean or burn the ground strap off a spark plug, and if you feed it too much you may blow a head gasket, but there's no way I beleive it bent a rod. Please scan ANYTHING that shows the parts replaced by the dealer. Or how about just posting your dealer's phone number and let me call them.
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Nitrous bent a rod? No it didn't. I don't buy one part of this story. Nitrous may burn pistons of it's too lean or burn the ground strap off a spark plug, and if you feed it too much you may blow a head gasket, but there's no way I beleive it bent a rod. Please scan ANYTHING that shows the parts replaced by the dealer. Or how about just posting your dealer's phone number and let me call them.