I think your half price might be a little off there. Yes, the PSD will sell for more, it also costs about 20% more brand new compared to the V10. But I have never seen the same model and year V10 sell for half the price of the same truck with a PSD. It's obvious; however, a king ranch diesel that sold for $60k new should be worth about twice as much as a V10 XL that sold for $30k new after 2-3 years...

If you look at the depreciation of these trucks, as in % drop from their MSRP after a given amount of time, you'll see they are all pretty similar rather they have the 6.4, 6.8, or 5.4. The '08 6.4 might be a lagging a little just because no one wants a first year PSD, but it's not that much different than a Super Duty with the other 2 engines. In addition, most of your loaded trucks (king ranch and lariat) are diesel's while most V10's are XL and XLT's. So your really expensive trucks will be diesels, that's why you have to look at the % drop from MSRP, not what they sell for today.

Of course, your vehicle's with the biggest drop will always be the one's with the most options (i.e. a diesel king ranch will have a bigger % drop than a diesel XLT, all else equal).

 

That's the thing though. Do you think the kind of people that are willing to pay for nitrogen in their tires are the kind of people that would even think about using a retread tire? Those kinds of "upgrades" are for the people that like to feel special because their car cost more than yours did and has more options, even though they paid a lot of money for useless stuff.

 

I agree. My Saab had nitrogen in it when I bought it (got it used), and I laughed when dealer asked if I knew how much that cost. He acted like it was some big deal that they put it in their for free. Truth is they put such crappy tire on it, I wish they had filled them acid so they would rot out and I would have an excuse to put decent tires on it.

 

This argument, is no different than the arguments in the club. People from both sides do make some good points to support their opinions about which ever engine they think is best. But in the end, no minds are changed. In other words, we argue for the sake of arguing.

BTW, any plans to make a cross-country trip with that motorhome?

 

Pretty much the case.

In the end, there are situation where the V10 makes more sense and there are situations were the PSD makes more sense. We all have our situation and pick the best truck for it.

 

And at the risk of offending many, the diesel was a "useless option" for me. Besides what I've already posted about having driven diesels for a living and not wanting to smell it ever again, I viewed the diesel as a completely useless option that I would just wind up paying more for, for a questionable return on investment.

I always opt for the largest engine in any vehicle I purchase, but the diesel was a bit too far even for me.

For others? Well, it's obvious they think it's necessary

 

For others? Well, it's obvious they think it's necessary

-we know it is necessary

 

I'm in the same boat. And although other may think was necessary, the only reason I bought a super duty was for towing. And according to Ford, in the CC short bed 4x4 configuration, the V10 can tow more than the PSD. (V10 with 4.30 can tow 15,600 while the PSD with a 3.55 can tow 15,300.) I'll admit, a 300 lb difference is basically the same towing capacity, but the limiting factor lies with other components of the truck, not the engine (unless you get the 5.4).

But if both have the same towing towing capacity, why pay an extra $7k? If I towed daily, sure the PSD would be the choice, but I tow 5-10 times a year. The PSD just didn't make sense to me, although it did to the dealer.

 

I would agree with you on that for about 80-90% of the people that drive diesels. Out of the 37k miles on my 5.4, about 25k of them came with a minimum of 7k and a maximum of 15k hooked to it. From a purely "power" standpoint my 5.4 handled it quite admirably and I didn't "need" a more powerful engine.

Watch our thread where we compare the cost to own the v10 vs the diesel and you will see why I "need" a diesel for what I do. I need a truck that is reliable, gets good mpg's and can tow whatever I hook to it. The v10(and my 5.4) only meets 2 of the 3. My 7.3 meets all 3. If I didn't drive my truck over 50k miles a year there is a good chance I wouldn't have a diesel, but over time that 5-6 mpg difference really adds up.

 

I can see getting the diesel when you drive that many miles, after a few years it might pay for it's self. And if it pays for it's self, you then have the high resale value to make things even better. I, on the other hand, drive about 7,000-8,000 miles a year, meaning the diesel would never pay for it's self in mpg.

 

If you compare them with the same rear end the psd has a much higher rated tow capacity. I don't have the numbers for your year model, but if you look at 2011 the 6.2 with a 4.30 has the same tow rating as the 6.7 with a 3.73. If you give the 6.2 a 3.73 it is almost 4,000 lbs behind the 6.7 with a 3.73. Having the right gearing can make up for a lot when it comes to limiting factors.

I have to disagree on the 5.4 part though. I know I give it a hard time when comparing it to my diesel, but it isn't because it won't do the job. It's because I don't like having to run it 4k rpm and drink gas like crazy to do the same job my 7.3 will do at 2500 rpm. My 7.3 has an easier time with the load over all(low end power pulling out, rolling start at the same rpm, less downshifting, better mpg's, etc), but if I hold them at peak hp my 5.4 will actually top the hill faster than my 7.3 (yeah, it hurt me to say that lol).

 

That's not even a good camparison. Why don't you compare a v-10 and psd with the same rearend. There will be a big difference between the two.

 

Ok, lets go for it. 3V V10 with a TS and 4.88 rear end= 33,000 GCWR
6.4 with a TS and 4.88s..... 33,000 GCWR.

Were is the " big diffrence"?

 

Of course.

But who is going to gear their truck for a comparison? You gear your truck for the work that they will be doing.

 

So the GCWR are the same. I bet the 6.4 will still tow alot more then the v-10. Just face it if the psd will out do the v-10 if it's the same truck.