Gas vs PSD
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From: WV
Yes... that is why all those V10's are still setting on dealer lots...
I don't suppose dealer stock diesels because it adds 25% to the MSRP and they make more money on it... no... that wouldn't make any sense at all. And while they're at it, they load it up with things like King Ranch and Lariat to make even more money. Because everyone has $50k to drop on a truck...
And to be honest, who buys a 7,000 lb SD truck and worries about mpg??? If you want good mpg, buy Toyota and hope there is a Super Duty around to help you stop.
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From: Pa
I've been watching the same 10-15 2005-2007 6.0L trucks sitting on used lots here and the side of the road with for sale signs on them for almost a year now. Nobody wants them-they're infested with 6.0L cancer. On the other hand,I have hell finding used 5.4L or 6.8L trucks for work here of any year model-they're almost non-existent on the used market around here.
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From: Whitewater, WI
Yes... that is why all those V10's are still setting on dealer lots...
I don't suppose dealer stock diesels because it adds 25% to the MSRP and they make more money on it... no... that wouldn't make any sense at all. And while they're at it, they load it up with things like King Ranch and Lariat to make even more money. Because everyone has $50k to drop on a truck...
And to be honest, who buys a 7,000 lb SD truck and worries about mpg??? If you want good mpg, buy Toyota and hope there is a Super Duty around to help you stop.
I don't suppose dealer stock diesels because it adds 25% to the MSRP and they make more money on it... no... that wouldn't make any sense at all. And while they're at it, they load it up with things like King Ranch and Lariat to make even more money. Because everyone has $50k to drop on a truck...
And to be honest, who buys a 7,000 lb SD truck and worries about mpg??? If you want good mpg, buy Toyota and hope there is a Super Duty around to help you stop.
People who use this trucks to make a living.
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From: Mt. Shasta California
Gas mileage isn't always top priority for everyone. I NEED my ex for my job and it it very convenient and runs well all the time.
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Ya OK funny every V10 I see for sale goes for half the price of a PSD.
I didn't realize there was a conspiracy in the US where the dealers are forcing people to buy inferior PSD's at a higher price. Please guys your killing me. This thread is like reading the comic section in the paper.
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From: Lake Tahoe, Nevada
I don't "get" the argument.
From what I see on the used lot's the the 7.3's and the V-10's are all in short supply and bring good prices when they do appear. The Ford dealers stock a lot of diesels in the super duties and almost never a V-10 in anything except but the E series.
The 7.3 owners swear by them. The V-10 owners swear by them.
The only argument that I can see is that the dealers' don't offer V-10 pickups in adequate quantiities. A lot of people complain that they cannot buy their truck of choice with a manual transmission. Nothing new.
BTW, I have a '99 V-10, (trouble free) in an E350 motorhome. It has plenty of power, never overheats, and gets fair mileage. I love it so much I'm thinking of getting an new V-10 for my bedroom.
From what I see on the used lot's the the 7.3's and the V-10's are all in short supply and bring good prices when they do appear. The Ford dealers stock a lot of diesels in the super duties and almost never a V-10 in anything except but the E series.
The 7.3 owners swear by them. The V-10 owners swear by them.
The only argument that I can see is that the dealers' don't offer V-10 pickups in adequate quantiities. A lot of people complain that they cannot buy their truck of choice with a manual transmission. Nothing new.
BTW, I have a '99 V-10, (trouble free) in an E350 motorhome. It has plenty of power, never overheats, and gets fair mileage. I love it so much I'm thinking of getting an new V-10 for my bedroom.
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From: Rogersville, TN
There isn't a conspiracy to sell people inferior trucks at a higher price. It is just a simple business plan of selling people the truck with the most mark ups so the dealer makes the most money. That's why a lot of dealers around here are charging $130 for nitrogen filled tires. It's useless, but it sounds cool and people like to have the "best" thing out, so the dealers stock the lot with them and talk people into paying for the air in their tires.
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From: WV
Only a few people actually haul with their trucks all day long. And when hauling, pretty much all truck get bad mpg.
Honestly though, if your truck got 2 mpg worse, would it end your business and force you into bankruptcy? Probably not. I see the point that you want as good of mpg as possible to turn a bigger profit, but at the end of the day it won't be that big of a deal, unless you drive 100,000 miles per year. In which case a diesel is perfectly justifiable IMO.
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From: WV
Maybe you mean a 7.3 PSD... I've seen those going $20k+, even up to $28k for one that had 30,000 miles on it. In good condition with low miles, the 7.3 will go for as much as a 2-3 year old V10.
But I don't think the same year and model V10 will be worth more than the PSD, at least 3V V10 versus 6.4L. Not real sure about 2V V10 versus 6.0L as I was never interested in either of those engines. I will agree the 3V V10 will hold it's value as good as the 6.4L PSD though.
BTW, the KBB private party value on my truck is $36k after 1 year, I only paid $32 brand new... If someone offered me $36k, I would sign it over before they finished the question.
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From: WV
There isn't a conspiracy to sell people inferior trucks at a higher price. It is just a simple business plan of selling people the truck with the most mark ups so the dealer makes the most money. That's why a lot of dealers around here are charging $130 for nitrogen filled tires. It's useless, but it sounds cool and people like to have the "best" thing out, so the dealers stock the lot with them and talk people into paying for the air in their tires.
On the other hand, I know a cylinder of Nitrogen cost is around $10, and I guarantee they are not putting a full tank of Nitrogen into your tires. SO there is quite a bit of markup there.