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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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No matter when it comes out...it will be worth the wait...hang in there!~
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim Lamkin
No matter when it comes out...it will be worth the wait...hang in there!~
Hopefully my response didn't come across as "assy" =o)

It was certainly not my intention.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
There are sometimes days or up to a week that I'm not in here.
DAYS OR UP TO A WEEK?? WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOUR CONSTANT PRESENCE HERE!
WE NEED OUR "VIC FIX!!"

Just kidding, Buddy!!

We'll look forward to the announcement when it comes!

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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Does it matter if you have one of the older flashes if your gonna use the SCMT anyway? I haven't had mine reflashed for almost a year and have heard Ford has a better flash for my early 03 F250 but plan to buy my tuner soon. Vic you have 15 minutes to answer and don't be assy! LOL
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by copsquat
Does it matter if you have one of the older flashes if your gonna use the SCMT anyway? I haven't had mine reflashed for almost a year and have heard Ford has a better flash for my early 03 F250 but plan to buy my tuner soon. Vic you have 15 minutes to answer and don't be assy! LOL
I'll be assy for him. This question has also been answered many times... you're good if your flash is Oct. (or so) 2003 or later. It is on the Superchips website I think... Just buy it. You'll like it. I read this thread for days before asking questions. It takes a while, but it keeps the thread from getting too long, which I think it already is. There is a TON of good info in here, and nearly every possible question has been asked and answered in the previous 69 pages. Read on. Those who have been posting here for a while would rather see new, original question than old, repetitive ones. Man, am I assy...
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Red face

I've lost my 04 due to a crash. I had the SC and once you have had it, it's hard to go without. I guess a lot of things are that way...
The 05 is nice, as suspected the front springs are soft. Motor seems the same. It sucks fuel in the cold weather though. I did ask a while ago about the learch when the cruise was disengaged. You stated it was a Ford thing. However when the stock tune was in it was fine. I'm sure the updated tuners have that covered.

Sorry for being impatient, but losing an ordered truck 6 months after getting it, waiting for another (month and a half), waiting for the snowplow to be installed, and waiting for you know what... Type "A" coming through.


Thanks
 
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Old Jan 9, 2005 | 06:44 PM
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Looking for the date and or code for the newest and greatest reflash? I have a 04 F350 I absulutly love this new truck, but it was in for Service and the dealer reflashed the comp. New code # 4U7A on 11/17/04 and I am not happy, runs fine but lost power and economy over the original. The dealer can't go back, so I am hoping their next program fixes this, but I hate bothering the dealer, they don't seem to up to date on these petty little details.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Jerricho,
Dont worry about your flash... Buy the SCMT and ditch that thing. It re-flashes your truck. I made it 360 miles before my low fuel light came on running on the Hi Perf mode. that is with a 29 gallon tank. And when the light comes on It prob has 5-10 gallons still in the tank. I am guessing if I would of topped the truck off it would of been close to 18mpg. And I had a few good romps here and there so I was not exactly babying it. And yea, It does seem a lil jumpy when you turn the cruise off when you are going about 75. But I am still totally happy. My fav part is clouding out imports while leaving the toll booths. I am happy so far. We will see how it is when I have have 10k or so miles on the tuned truck.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bogginf350
Jerricho,
Dont worry about your flash... Buy the SCMT and ditch that thing. It re-flashes your truck. I made it 360 miles before my low fuel light came on running on the Hi Perf mode. that is with a 29 gallon tank. And when the light comes on It prob has 5-10 gallons still in the tank. I am guessing if I would of topped the truck off it would of been close to 18mpg. And I had a few good romps here and there so I was not exactly babying it. And yea, It does seem a lil jumpy when you turn the cruise off when you are going about 75. But I am still totally happy. My fav part is clouding out imports while leaving the toll booths. I am happy so far. We will see how it is when I have have 10k or so miles on the tuned truck.
Excuse me, but the SCMT does NOT re-flash the truck in the sense that you are talking about.
His stock files will remain the same. We then tune his stock files with our parameters. The unchanged parameters remain stock.
If he has old, outdated stock files it should be updated before tuning is installed.

However, his truck is an 04 done on 11-7-04, so he is already good to go.
The flashes that were cause for concern were mostly before 10-27-03.

Load in the tuner, and you'll get all that power/response that you have been missing. You will also more than likely see a mileage gain with the tuner.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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Vic,
This is along the lines of a curiosity for me. So, what you're saying is that the SCMT files are just in fact updating the some of the operating parameters (variables) used by Fords programming? They are not directly replacing Ford's programming routines or logic. If so, this sounds like a better approach than actually trying to re-write Ford's control programs.

tks,

Mark
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4Mark
Vic,
This is along the lines of a curiosity for me. So, what you're saying is that the SCMT files are just in fact updating the some of the operating parameters (variables) used by Fords programming? They are not directly replacing Ford's programming routines or logic. If so, this sounds like a better approach than actually trying to re-write Ford's control programs.

tks,

Mark
Correct, for the most part. No one out there is really "re-writing" the control program, they are simply forcing a different one into the truck (one from another truck they tested). They then change tuning parameters.


It is a better approach NOT do that because there are different calibrations for different "regions", then you have differeing FICM calibrations and hardware.
One forced program that covers all is not a smart way to do it.

Someone might like their current cold idle settings, why should I force them to have someone elses from somewhere else in the country?
You can bet a stock truck in Winnepeg is a different stock calibration than a truck in Mexico. A truck driven in the mountains in Colorado needs different drivability tuning (the nitty-gritty part throttle stuff) than a Truck driven in Nevada.
They all adapt and "learn" to a certain extent, but there are still good reasons for different stock calibrations.
Even a truck with 3.73's needs to be a little different than a truck with 4.10's because gearing will affect LOAD.

It takes longer for R&D, as every new file must be tested, but it the only way to offer true "computer code (calibration) specific" programming.

Drivability is top notch on the 1704 because a lot of time was taken to tune part throttle (where you are 90% of the time) correctly along with WOT performance.
 

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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 03:25 PM
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I appriciate all the response I believe the people on this sight know more then the dealers are willing to talk about? the the 04 psd was new in 4/15/04. Milage was 12500 when they reflashed it now has 14000 on the odometer. Ran great Decent Power untill the reflash, Driveability is good always was good, just way down on total available power, and the economy went with it.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerricho
I appriciate all the response I believe the people on this sight know more then the dealers are willing to talk about? the the 04 psd was new in 4/15/04. Milage was 12500 when they reflashed it now has 14000 on the odometer. Ran great Decent Power untill the reflash, Driveability is good always was good, just way down on total available power, and the economy went with it.
All you need is a 1704 =o)
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
Correct, for the most part. No one out there is really "re-writing" the control program, they are simply forcing a different one into the truck (one from another truck they tested). They then change tuning parameters.


It is a better approach NOT do that because there are different calibrations for different "regions", then you have differeing FICM calibrations and hardware.
One forced program that covers all is not a smart way to do it.

Someone might like their current cold idle settings, why should I force them to have someone elses from somewhere else in the country?
You can bet a stock truck in Winnepeg is a different stock calibration than a truck in Mexico. A truck driven in the mountains in Colorado needs different drivability tuning (the nitty-gritty part throttle stuff) than a Truck driven in Nevada.
They all adapt and "learn" to a certain extent, but there are still good reasons for different stock calibrations.
Even a truck with 3.73's needs to be a little different than a truck with 4.10's because gearing will affect LOAD.

It takes longer for R&D, as every new file must be tested, but it the only way to offer true "computer code (calibration) specific" programming.

Drivability is top notch on the 1704 because a lot of time was taken to tune part throttle (where you are 90% of the time) correctly along with WOT performance.
Thanks Vic. I didn't mean to imply you were re-writing the programs on the fly, just curious if you're in fact updating the parameters used versus over-writing the Ford program with different programatic logic. So in summary:
OEM:
Ford program + Ford parameters
SCMT:
Ford program + Superchip parameters?
or
Superchip program + Superchip parameters?
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4Mark
Thanks Vic. I didn't mean to imply you were re-writing the programs on the fly, just curious if you're in fact updating the parameters used versus over-writing the Ford program with different programatic logic. So in summary:
OEM:
Ford program + Ford parameters
SCMT:
Ford program + Superchip parameters?
or
Superchip program + Superchip parameters?
I knew what you were asking before =o)


Ford program + superchip parameters.

There is no need to rewrite all of the code.
The files are the same size as the stock program (which is why it fits a stock pcm), but has the proper parameters changed.
It's definitely not as simple as many think.
I can go no further into it because it's proprietary information.
 
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