So what do you have to say about stock trucks running 1600 degree EGT's?
A Ford re-flash flash negates the problem.......

You would recommend they keep the stock flash and nuke a turbo?

I don't know if I would call turbo and injector failures, and the need for actuator kit retrofits a few "niggling" problems.

Leaky coolant caps are more of a niggling problem.

How many are out there running hot EGT's on the original stock flash and don't know it? Most people don't add gauges, and Ford has not come to their senses enough to include an EGT gauge in the stock instrumentation.

This year, they added a boost gauge and trailer brake control....is an EGT gauge next for 06?
That would make me very happy, not that I would trust a factory gauge anyway =o)

 

Sorry about repeating those post, those were my first. My 1704 "SCMT" will be in any day now. I have a banks exhaust already on my 2003 6.0l, will it be ok to run a air-intake also, or am I asking for problems; I drive my truck very hard, very fast, when unloaded. I also tow a 3,000# trailor all over the country, avg. 75-85mph on highway.

 

I've never had a customer show up complaining about high EGT. Most don't know much less care. I can't recall any failures related to high EGT, either.

They continue to show up, however, after the TSB reflash for "rough, rolling idle" and ask us to give their power and fuel economy back. We've seen more post-reflash complaints than we have about injectors or turbos. A lot of the injector failures we've seen recently are due to water damage, too. ("Ya mean I gotta crawl under the truck with a hex wrench and drain that thingy every once in a while???")

Yes , we saw some leaking injectors in the beginning (filling the crankcase with fuel and burning up the turbo) but there weren't a whole lot of them in our neck of the woods.

My point was simple: if it's not broke, don't fix it. Certainly don't reflash just because something "later and greater" might be available from the OEM. These recommendations are coming from customers who have had the TSB reflash and wish they hadn't!

 

Many of the early 03 flashes were poodle poop, if you had one of the lousy ones.. you could not wait for the "later greater" one to come out.....this is fact!

 

Right, some were pretty bad, and the wait for the magic fix was too long (9 months?).

Believe it or not there are still some early '03s running around out there with original calibrations (just ran into one a few weeks ago). As usual the tech wanted to "fix" that but I cautioned him against it since the customer wasn't complaining about any of the typical problems. I told him to repair the stated concern and leave the software alone. We certainly don't want to create any more problems than the guy's already got.

 

Well guys, just read this page to catch up on my Scmt Trivia and you had me on the edge of my seat. Now I need My couch and a beer just to settle back down. Good points on both sides, (tho Vic is still my hero). I have one of the first 6.0's with a build date of 10/02 on truck and engine. Had it reflashed around 10/03 to correct the romping when started. Lost power and mileage, was told my truck is at fords specs for both. Truck is no longer impressive and sometimes disappointing, like in 4 wheel drive in deep sand and flooring the pedal and not even breaking the tires loose. It used to drive effertlessly like the truck weighs nothing and responded well when passing at freeway speeds. Now I nail the gas, hear the motor slowly increase RPM's then eventually start to pick up speed, ( much more of a hesitation than before). I used to leave the stop light like a car, now it's just a heavy truck. I've waited to see what would happen with all the reflashes and have been reading the Flash thread as much as this one and believe the latest for the early 03 motor is better than the one I have now, (i hope), and will order my SCMT after I get the reflash. I put the AIRAID cold air intake on already but more for the fact that I couldn't stand the stock filter setup. I wanted something I could clean when I want and don't have to fight with for 20 minutes to get in and out of the truck. Am very happy with this, ( after modifying it slightly to free up more airflow). Don't think I will do exhaust or anything else. All I can hope is that this will give me back the truck I test drove and make me proud to own the truck I wanted so bad. Of course thers the issues with the horrible shudder at 80 that no one can seem to fix and ford says is normal on a 9000 truck, (but appearently only on mine). And the weird brake pulsations like the antilock is always engaged even at slow speeds but much worse on the freeway. Plus the occasional hard pull to the left when braking. Mebbe one day I'll be a proud ford owner again, (this is my 9th ford vehicle and I've loved every one of them but it took the most expensive and the most anticipated one to make me unsure if I made the right choice for my dream truck. Oh well, I guess it could be worse, I could be driving a new Dodge!

 

[QUOTE=copsquat]Well guys, just read this page to catch up on my Scmt Trivia and you had me on the edge of my seat. Now I need My couch and a beer just to settle back down. Good points on both sides, (tho Vic is still my hero). I have one of the first 6.0's with a build date of 10/02 on truck and engine. Had it reflashed around 10/03 to correct the romping when started. Lost power and mileage, was told my truck is at fords specs for both. Truck is no longer impressive and sometimes disappointing, like in 4 wheel drive in deep sand and flooring the pedal and not even breaking the tires loose. It used to drive effertlessly like the truck weighs nothing and responded well when passing at freeway speeds. Now I nail the gas, hear the motor slowly increase RPM's then eventually start to pick up speed, ( much more of a hesitation than before). I used to leave the stop light like a car, now it's just a heavy truck. [QUOTE]

Like I said.............most people would have rather put up with the niggling problems (romping when started) than suffer the seemingly permanent downgrade in performance after the 10/03 reflash.

I hear this (from customers) more often than not.

Question: knowing what you know now, would you have had it reflashed in the beginning?

 

The romping was pretty bad and lots of white smoke at cold start but the change to how it ran was very disappointing. I brought it to the dealer and told them about the problem and they said they would fix it but never told me what they would do to my truck. Now that I know what I know I would have weighed my options before reflashing. I know people who have had several reflashes and had a chain of problems with each one. So I wait and I watch and after I believe 9 new flashes I believe the current one is worth getting ( I hope).

 

The current flash is running extremely well in the 03's and 04's do a search on SBV45 posts.
He is VERY credible....tells the truth about the flash!

 

Guys if you want to talk about the reflashes please go to the problems/bad mileage board... I have the latest flash in my 03 and am happy. Leave this board open for questions about the SCMT......

 

So you come in here talking about EGT on modified trucks, then speak of EGT like an arbitrary subject as if it never causes failures.

You are beginning to get sloppy with your thinking and comments.
High EGT can and does cause turbo failure.
How many poor souls were stuck on the side of the road pulling a 12,000 LB trailer behind their stock trucks? I can think of at least 3 that I know PERSONALLY.
Granted, Ford fixed the problem, but it was Fords fault. The early flashes were a problem. Some made more POWER, but this doesn't mean they were correct and/or safe. Some tuning companies have blacklisted some stock Ford files because they were such a disaster.

Unfortunately, many of those out there with high EGT don't even know it. When they have a premature turbo failure (after their warranty runs out if they are unlucky), they will have to pay out of pocket for replacement.

Basically what I'm saying is:
It WAS broke, so they fixed it.

It may have lost power and mileage in some cases, but you didn't see any cases of high EGT after the reflash, and the rolling/surging problems got better.

Safety first...

 

This is pertinent to Vic and the SCMT; you need a current flash for the tuner to work.
Early 03 flashes are not compatible

 

It is definitely pertinent.

Here's a simple way to break it down:

You've got a stock truck with an old flash, but you update it and it feels like you've lost power. You're a little upset, but it doesn't seem to act up as much and your EGT's are lower.

After you install a tuner (1704 =o), you'll get back much more power than you've ever had without the drivability issues associated with the earlier flashes.

 

Tim, VIc... I am not talking about that. I have been listening to people bad mouth fords updated flashes for over a year. If they want to talk about those problems with the flash I just feel they should go to that board. You guys with me? No pun intended to you two

 

So far, everything I've seen in this thread on the subject has been pertinent.