Vic
I just posted this on another thread, but I have to say it here I just had the chance to tow our big horse trailer while having the SCMT loaded. What a difference, I truly think this is the way the truck was meant to run. Nice Job.

Thanks
Bob

 

It's all about how it runs LOADED

Even on the street unloaded, it's still "loaded" by things like vehicle weight and wind resistance.

Only an eddy current/water brake dyno or trailer dyno can simulate (but still not fully duplicate) these type of conditions.

Thats why I preach the importance of taking inertia runs with a grain of salt...they are a small part of the real picture.
Load = boost
Boost = power, especially when boost and fuel are not within stock PCM limitations =o)

You can load a stock truck all you want, but it's only gonna make so much boost or allow x amount of fuel.

Of course, even though each program in the 1704 will allow more than stock boost, it will still keep it within safe limits when the towing guidelines are followed. It's a lot stronger and more efficient than the stock program.

 

Can anyone tell me whether this head-to-head comparison between Diablo and Superchips was ever done? So far, about the only difference I can see between these two is that Diablo downloads updates and allows transmission shift firmness adjustments.

Are there any other differences?

Thx,

 

Hi Trakorb,

Welcome to the 6.0 L forum and to FTE. Please take a moment to check out the Welcome sticky post at the top of the forum page. There are links to great threads and other usefull information in there.

This topic has been most recently discussed by PSD 60L Fx4. He's run most of the tuners and fueling boxes. I would do a search on his name for posts within the last two weeks - maybe three.

His general feeling was that the SCMT was the best shifting of the two tuners.

Both the SCMT and Predator guys love their tuners and you'll find strong supporters in each camp - you'd think that some of these guys own stock in the products

I'm quite happy with the SCMT and do tow regularly with it. It worked fine out of the box and I've never needed an update so the lack of an Internet update capability like the Predator hasn't hurt me any yet. If I do have my truck reflashed by Ford sometime down the road with their latest and greatest flash, then I understand that I will likely need to send my tuner back for an update. Not that big of a deal to me.

One big plus for SC is that Vic, the guy who did the tuning for the 6.0 for SC, frequents this forum and he's been a great source of knowledge and info. I don't recall ever seeing a post from a Diablo tuner or other employee. So I don't know if they are off doing their development in a vacuum or what.

 

I guess what I really wanted to know, is if I put in the SCMT tune now, and then later go back to the "stock" file that had been taught to deal with the Banks box, will it reinsert the trans file including all the learning it had in it before I input the SCMT tune? If not- I have to do the series of learning exercises after removing the SCMT tune and going back to the Banks box. When you say that it resets the KAM -is that where the "learning" is stored? If so, I guess that answers my question- It will be bare stock, just like the day it was flashed at the dealer, and will require a whole new “learning” session.

 

Vic can confirm this, but I believe that the answer is no.

That said, I've switched tunes a lot from stock to econo to tow safe to hi perf and back - all over the place and never had a problem with shifting.

I ran the truck back to back both stock and in HP mode to practice launches for a trip to the 1/4 mile track and had no problems. I then went to the track and made two runs stock and then switched to the HP and made two more runs (16.0 flat and 14.33 on HP tune), again no problem.

I've towed and swapped tuning programs while towing - well actually while stopped, but you get the idea - and not had any issues.

So the learning that's going on happens either pretty quickly or transparently - at least on my truck.

 

When will the 05 version be out?

 

Thanks, I really appreciate your taking a minute to answer my post. I've seen a loyal following for both. The good news is that after reading all the comments, I've backed away from Hypertech and some of the other minor brands. If it wasn't for forums like this, it would be impossible to sort through all the Mktng hype.

 

I have been silently following these conversations since may.. I have a 03 psd 38 inch swampers and 4.56 gears. Had been seriously considering the banks kit. My friends have the edge kit but I did not like its shift learning methods at all... My truck only has the stock exhaust with the muffler and cat removed. I recieved my scmt last night plugged it in and was on the road in less that 10 minutes. I gave the truck 10 or so miles of stop and go traffic then stood on it once. Wow... thats all I have to say.. I wish it wasnt raining here those ssrs dont hook up to well in wet conditions. This programmer seems to be everything that I was looking for. THANKS!

 

Can I run all the tunes safely in my truck. Automatic crewcab. Occasionally tow up to 6000 pounds over passes on vacation. Also, turboback vs, catback. which one gives biggest bang for buck? Is it really nessasary to mod the exhaust? intake?Is it leaga to remove the cat or should you leave it in? To be honest what I really want is the rumble sound the exhaust will provide.

 

I've had no tuner induced problems running it on my stock truck. As for your exhaust question it depends on who you listen to. do a search and you will find many opinion.
With that said this is for Daryl:
Welcome to the 6.0 L forum and to FTE. Please take a moment to check out the Welcome sticky post at the top of the forum page. There are links to great threads and other usefull information in there.

 

Is there a learning period for the tranny when using the SCMT ?

 

Hi 04turbo,

Welcome to the 6.0 forum and FTE. Please take a moment to review the Welcom sticky post at the top of the forum page. There are links to gread threads and other info in there.

Regarding the SCMT, you can safely run all the tunes in your truck if you follow the SC guidelines, but use of gauges is recommended. The tow safe tune will allow you to tow up to the maximum rated GVWR of your truck. The Economy tune will allow you to tow up to 8000 lb and I believe that the High Performance tune lets you tow up to 4000 lb.

I have an '03 with a stock exhaust system and tow a 10,000 lb toyhauler with no EGT problems on either the tow safe or economy tune settings - and that is towing over grade 8+ mountain roads. So I don't feel that it is really necessary to mod the exhaust.

Some people report performance improvements doing a cat back exhaust and some have reported little difference. The turbo back with a cat removal is reported by most who've done it to make very little difference over the cat back - especially on the '04 trucks.

Removal of the cat is against Federal law by the way, so no it is not legal.

 

When will the 05 version be out?

 

A little patience, please.

Especially when you are asking a question that has been answered several times.....
I'm trying hard to avoid redundancy in this thread.

It will be released soon, I do not have a date.

As I have said....this is a "conversation" thread, not a tech support thread.
I'm just a user in here like you posting in my spare time.

If you have a specific question that demands an official answer, please call superchips. There are sometimes days or up to a week that I'm not in here.

I answer all questions when possible, but you'll find that many are already answered throughout the thread.

Please take the time to read the entire thread, or at least the past month or so worth of posts.