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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
The main way to tell is by calibration. Look between the battery and drivers side fender (point of view is standing in front of the truck by the drivers side headlight.) You should see a code of three letters an one number (example: ABC1)

You also may see nothing.

What is on your truck?
Mine has three lines of code:

AXS1
DPU-252A
EE0FA 4H201

It also has a manufacture date (on the driver's door) of Aug 4, 2004.

It would seem that this is going to be an "early 05" based on the manufacture date ... I fully expect you to tell me it has an 04 motor in it.

...and the envelope please?

Steve
 
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Planecrazy
Mine has three lines of code:

AXS1
DPU-252A
EE0FA 4H201

It also has a manufacture date (on the driver's door) of Aug 4, 2004.

It would seem that this is going to be an "early 05" based on the manufacture date ... I fully expect you to tell me it has an 04 motor in it.

...and the envelope please?

Steve
While the model year may be "05", your truck is otherwise an 04 in every way.
PM Sent...
 
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
While the model year may be "05", your truck is otherwise an 04 in every way.
PM Sent...
Just as I suspected (aside from the '05 body parts of course)... Haven't received a PM yet, but will keep watching for it ... thanks Vic! Now the only question left is ... is it a good thing or a bad thing that my '05 is really an '04 in disguise??

Steve
 
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Got your PM, Vic ... thanks for the quick response!

Steve
 
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
Now why would you start a thread like that?
I started it for several reasons:
1. This thread is for discussion of the SCMT programmer and like I said --> I didn't want to hijack it.
2. As a consumer this is how I do research on a purchase --> taking input from users, enthusiasts, vendors, and in your case, someone who knows diesel tuning and is obviously quite passionate about your work as evidenced by the time you spend here (thank you!).
3. I wanted your opinion (based on the tuning expertise you have) on the product as its seemed to pick up momentum in discussions on various sites.

Once again Vic, thank you for going over there. Your answer kind of confirmed what I probably knew deep down was best for me and I think I kind of touched on it when I stated that I was really confident in the research time that you guys put into the SCMT 1704 to put a product on the market for us that worked, and yet was developed with the principle that it had to be within parameters that wouldn't wreck things. This is one of those decisions where one must really scrutinize your intended usage and weigh the risks of pushing things too far when the vehicle is your bread and butter --> yet the allure of a bit more power, etc is definitely appealing as is the grasping of the newest technology where upgrades, etc are always happening. The choices will be different for different individuals.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LaredoF350
I started it for several reasons:
1. This thread is for discussion of the SCMT programmer and like I said --> I didn't want to hijack it.
2. As a consumer this is how I do research on a purchase --> taking input from users, enthusiasts, vendors, and in your case, someone who knows diesel tuning and is obviously quite passionate about your work as evidenced by the time you spend here (thank you!).
3. I wanted your opinion (based on the tuning expertise you have) on the product as its seemed to pick up momentum in discussions on various sites.

Once again Vic, thank you for going over there. Your answer kind of confirmed what I probably knew deep down was best for me and I think I kind of touched on it when I stated that I was really confident in the research time that you guys put into the SCMT 1704 to put a product on the market for us that worked, and yet was developed with the principle that it had to be within parameters that wouldn't wreck things. This is one of those decisions where one must really scrutinize your intended usage and weigh the risks of pushing things too far when the vehicle is your bread and butter --> yet the allure of a bit more power, etc is definitely appealing as is the grasping of the newest technology where upgrades, etc are always happening. The choices will be different for different individuals.
I was only kidding......
 
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
I was only kidding......
I'll be watching you -

Next time it will be my turn................

Vic, I was wondering why the different strategies on the 1705 for the 7.3 compared to the 1704? I will put up some numbers to make my point (they are from the Superchips website). They are as follows: h.p./torque/tow capacity.

...........1704................... 1705................
Perf --150/225/6000# --110/200/no tow
Econ--120/180/8000# --90/175/6000#
Tow --80/120/max -----70/150/max

The mode that I was wondering about was the Performance mode. Why did you guys design this mode with so much tow capacity? Could things have been cranked up a bit more to the point of no towing and is this what some of the guys are trying to achieve with the SCT? Are they trying to achieve the performance levels of the modules and still have the ability to control transmission functions as can only be achieved by the programmers? Is this achievable/sustainable?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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Hey Vic,

Sorry if this question was already asked,(I did not see it). How soon will you release one for the '05's? Can't wait to get my hands on one of these!

thanx
 
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mauisuperduty
Hey Vic,

Sorry if this question was already asked,(I did not see it). How soon will you release one for the '05's? Can't wait to get my hands on one of these!

thanx
I can not give a date yet, but it is soon.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LaredoF350
I'll be watching you -

Next time it will be my turn................

Vic, I was wondering why the different strategies on the 1705 for the 7.3 compared to the 1704? I will put up some numbers to make my point (they are from the Superchips website). They are as follows: h.p./torque/tow capacity.

...........1704................... 1705................
Perf --150/225/6000# --110/200/no tow
Econ--120/180/8000# --90/175/6000#
Tow --80/120/max -----70/150/max

The mode that I was wondering about was the Performance mode. Why did you guys design this mode with so much tow capacity?
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Because EGT was controlled and safe within that weight limit.

Originally Posted by LaredoF350

Could things have been [i]cranked up a bit more to the point of no towing
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Perhaps...with TON of smoke, really high EGT, and a sacrifice in fuel mileage/reliability

Originally Posted by LaredoF350

and is this what some of the guys are trying to achieve with the SCT? Are they trying to achieve the performance levels of the modules and still have the ability to control transmission functions as can only be achieved by the programmers? Is this achievable/sustainable?
Trying to squeeze out more power than the 1704 makes (in my experience) can cause coolant puking, excessive EGT, LOTS of smoke (as if it doesn't smoke already =).
Also, on a stock truck, overfueling causes a loss in power at a certian point.

If you want more power than a tuner safely delivers, get propane and or nitrous and get a custom dynotuned program (someone like SCT). It will need a reasonable injector timing curve, etc...etc... to run with the modifications.

If the truck is stock or has simple stuff like intake, exhaust and tires, go with an over the counter tuner.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2005 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
I can not give a date yet, but it is soon.
Could you give me a time frame? 1-2 months 2-3 months etc,etc...

Thanx
 
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Old Feb 2, 2005 | 03:12 AM
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Hey Vic,
Thanks for all your info on this subject. I am just about to purchace the 1704 through motorhaven and found a discrepancy in your information. On 04-28-04 you posted the following...



Gain at peak" refers to not the largest gain, but refers to what the gain is at the vehicles highest HP (or torque) point.
For instance, if the truck is making 670 FT lbs at X RPM and it made 445 FT LBS stock at the same RPM, the "gain at peak" is 225 FT LBS. This is the gain in the point of the powerband where the truck makes the most power.

"PEAK GAIN", on the other hand, refers to where the largest GAINS are.
It might make 670 FT LBS at X rpm, and make 550 FT lbs at XX RPM.
It may have made only 250 FT LBS at XX RPM stock, so the gain here is 300 FT LBS.
Make sense?

If there is no larger gain anywhere else in the band than this, then this is your "peak gain"....or the largest gain you will get anywhere in the RPM range with that program.

With that said, our HP/Torque gains we advertise are "gains at peak" and near peak.
They are not peak gains. Ths is why the torque gain numbers aren't monstrous becuase the monster gains are actually off peak.....and this is good because it makes the entire powerband much stronger, longer and smoother...and just makes the customer happier when they see they are actually getting more than 150HP and 225 FTLBS in some areas.

Now the discrepancy lies in what is said at the Superchips website. The website says the following in the 6.0 dyno test.

Max HP gain 150.5@3500 RPM and Max Torq gain 225.9@3500 RPM
Peak HP gain 124.0 HP@ 3300 RPM and Peak Torq gain 143.5@2800RPM

Could you help in clarifying this.
Thanks.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2005 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mauisuperduty
Could you give me a time frame? 1-2 months 2-3 months etc,etc...

Thanx
No means no. =o)
 
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Old Feb 2, 2005 | 09:42 AM
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I think that it really helps to look at the torque curves on the SC web site. If you look up above 3500 RPM you see the stock output start to really drop off while the SC output is holding.

You can see where the stock output is gone but there's still darn good SC output. Somewhere in that area the max gain torque gain of the SCMT would be a lot more than the max torque of the SCMT over the trucks peak torque.

Hopefully that helps. I think that it's easier to understand looking at the picture.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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NEVER ENDING PROBLEMS!!!!!! got my SCMT in for my 2003 6.0l, tried to tune my truck, it tells me my truck needs to be reflashed. no problem, I went and did that today. I tried again to tune my truck now it says the tuner needs a update, tried to call superchips but closed, I cant wait any longer. whats the deal? Anyone else have these problems? Can I expect another special request from this SCMT? I'm real close to returning it, but I dont want to.
 
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