Superchips 6.0 Microtuner Thread
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From: Oakley California
Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
32 psi is ok, but don't let it go past that for more than a flash.
Remember, at any gven load and fueling level, more boost = LOWER egt.
This doesn't simply mean more boost means lower egt "and that's it", because you see boost rise with fueling, load, injection timing, and other factors that affect EGT.
My point is, boost is not the culprit that causes high EGT, it's fuel, injection timing, load, cylinder pressure.
If fueling and injection timing were left the same but boost was closer to stock, you would REALLY see some high EGT's.
It is possible to run less boost but still more cylinder pressure.
An example would be the predator. With their tuning strategy, they run less boost than superchips, HOWEVER, they run more cylinder pressure and without higher boost, EGT's climb higher.
Remember, I'm out of the business now so I have nothing to gain in sharing this, but it's a tested fact.
Remember, at any gven load and fueling level, more boost = LOWER egt.
This doesn't simply mean more boost means lower egt "and that's it", because you see boost rise with fueling, load, injection timing, and other factors that affect EGT.
My point is, boost is not the culprit that causes high EGT, it's fuel, injection timing, load, cylinder pressure.
If fueling and injection timing were left the same but boost was closer to stock, you would REALLY see some high EGT's.
It is possible to run less boost but still more cylinder pressure.
An example would be the predator. With their tuning strategy, they run less boost than superchips, HOWEVER, they run more cylinder pressure and without higher boost, EGT's climb higher.
Remember, I'm out of the business now so I have nothing to gain in sharing this, but it's a tested fact.
What about the temperatures? What should be my maximum with the sensor installed before the turbo.
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'Tuned' 6-Speed.....
My question goes out to Vic, and/or any others that might have their favorite tuner installed on a manual transmission equipped 1-ton.
If/when I go w/ a tuner, will the tranny act normal as it does now, or will it see it's share of problems w/ the settings available from a FINE sounding product such as the SCMT? (Or whichever is recommended for the manual trucks). A turbo back setup is in the works, MAYBE an AFE 2 as well ..dunno.. But would like the option(s) of having the programmer on board w/ me when it's needed.
TYVM Vic, and to anyone else that might have some input, I appreciate it!
If/when I go w/ a tuner, will the tranny act normal as it does now, or will it see it's share of problems w/ the settings available from a FINE sounding product such as the SCMT? (Or whichever is recommended for the manual trucks). A turbo back setup is in the works, MAYBE an AFE 2 as well ..dunno.. But would like the option(s) of having the programmer on board w/ me when it's needed.
TYVM Vic, and to anyone else that might have some input, I appreciate it!
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got a question.. might have been answered.. but i just read 15 pages. and my eyes hurt now.. i am not sure if an aftermarket tune has been used on the truck i am about to buy from an independent dealer.. its not a ford dealer.. i dont want to ask a ford dealer to check, cuz if there is one on there.. i dont want them to void warranty or anything like that.. i am interested in getting the Superchips 1704-a if i get this.. and there is another tune on there.. will this tuner over write the old stuff.. or does it have to be in stock form.. i was reading directions.. and i think it says stock files must be on the computer.. but i dont know how to know or how to get the stock files back on the computer if they aren't there.. anyone got some insight on this? how can i find out if it has stock tune.. or aftermarket? if i took it to a local shop.. and had them hook up their diagnostic thing to it.. could they tell me anything that way?
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I can't answer ALL your questions, but I will say that it is unlikely that the truck has a non-stock tune in it for several reasons.
The most compelling reason is that the prior owner of the vehicle would have trouble selling the tuning product without having "reloaded" it into the tuner. The SCMT, for example, is "VIN locked" to the vehicle it has tuned until you remove the tune and restore the stock files.
If I were going to sell my truck, I'd either offer the tuner to the purchaser for an extra price OR I'd remove the tune and sell the tuner separately.
The truck you're looking to buy probably has stock files. Now I expect somebody else will be along shortly to tell you how to find this out for certain.
Regards,
Steve
The most compelling reason is that the prior owner of the vehicle would have trouble selling the tuning product without having "reloaded" it into the tuner. The SCMT, for example, is "VIN locked" to the vehicle it has tuned until you remove the tune and restore the stock files.
If I were going to sell my truck, I'd either offer the tuner to the purchaser for an extra price OR I'd remove the tune and sell the tuner separately.
The truck you're looking to buy probably has stock files. Now I expect somebody else will be along shortly to tell you how to find this out for certain.
Regards,
Steve
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that sounds good.. that makes perfect sense.. that is just what i would have thought.. but i just wanted to make sure.. i think you explained it perfect.. and is the way i understood it..
thanks
Kris
thanks
Kris
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2 tune, or not 2 tune?
That is the question. Is clutch slippage going to become a concern IF I do a tuner? Or.. will I still be able to pin the ears back on 'er, and drive the same as I do now, with no additional worries?
2005 350 6spd sb sc 4wd
2005 350 6spd sb sc 4wd
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From: Brew City, USA New Berlin
Wow, lots of information in this thread.
I apologize for any redundancy in my questions, but only had time to read 20 or so pages of this thread. lol
1. On a completely stock truck (2006 F-350 CC 4x4) will I be safe using the Superchip Tuner without any gauges? I only tow about 10-15 times a year, and then only a 6000 lb boat to the lake and back. I'm in Wisconsin, so its relatively flat. No extended climbs or anything.
2. If you drive 'nice' with the tuner is there a noticed increase in smoke at the lower settings?
I apologize for any redundancy in my questions, but only had time to read 20 or so pages of this thread. lol
1. On a completely stock truck (2006 F-350 CC 4x4) will I be safe using the Superchip Tuner without any gauges? I only tow about 10-15 times a year, and then only a 6000 lb boat to the lake and back. I'm in Wisconsin, so its relatively flat. No extended climbs or anything.
2. If you drive 'nice' with the tuner is there a noticed increase in smoke at the lower settings?
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From: South Florida
Milwaukee I think I can answer your questions:
1. It's Recommended to get gauges to monitor everything especially If you're towing. I personnaly do not have gauges in my truck but I HARDLY ever tow anything over 4k so I don't really see the need for them. I think if you're gonna do any regular towing then you should get gauges-its cheap insurance, but if you're gonna just run empty around then gauges arn't nessercary IMO.
2. I have stock exhaust still on mine and the truck only smokes when I "make" it smoke. You really have to give it some gas for it to shoot smoke, regular exceleration dosnt smoke at all- only when punching it or stabbing the throttle.
Hope this helps!
1. It's Recommended to get gauges to monitor everything especially If you're towing. I personnaly do not have gauges in my truck but I HARDLY ever tow anything over 4k so I don't really see the need for them. I think if you're gonna do any regular towing then you should get gauges-its cheap insurance, but if you're gonna just run empty around then gauges arn't nessercary IMO.
2. I have stock exhaust still on mine and the truck only smokes when I "make" it smoke. You really have to give it some gas for it to shoot smoke, regular exceleration dosnt smoke at all- only when punching it or stabbing the throttle.
Hope this helps!
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I have a few questions after reading the last few posts, i have been looking at purchasing a programmer. I already have a edge juice attitude, it is the older model purchased a year and half ago. It works good, BUT as edge finnally figured out it is seriously lacking in some areas. the economy isn't the greatest, low end is well not good. I am considering stacking the SCMT with the edge. I'am still running the stock exhaust and don't plan on changing it. I'am not looking for all out power, I only run the edge on 3/3 for most driving, Will the programmer help the economy and driveability part and hopefully smooth out the powerband. Because I don't believe the edge helps the economy at all, it is also a little jerky in and out of it's powerbands. the edge doesn't help to many things at all. I want to keep the powerband down in the lower rpm's. I don't want to be running much above the 3000 rpm range.
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As Vic (Ferrari) will tell you any minute now, you should NEVER stack the SCMT with another product, because it was designed as a standalone solution (he used to work for Superchips).
A similar but only distantly related product you COULD use is the SCT product, because they can provide you with a custom tune (at extra cost I imagine) for your specific application.
Hope this helps!
Steve
A similar but only distantly related product you COULD use is the SCT product, because they can provide you with a custom tune (at extra cost I imagine) for your specific application.
Hope this helps!
Steve
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From: Las Vegas
Originally Posted by Jerricho
I have a few questions after reading the last few posts, i have been looking at purchasing a programmer. I already have a edge juice attitude, it is the older model purchased a year and half ago. It works good, BUT as edge finnally figured out it is seriously lacking in some areas. the economy isn't the greatest, low end is well not good. I am considering stacking the SCMT with the edge. I'am still running the stock exhaust and don't plan on changing it. I'am not looking for all out power, I only run the edge on 3/3 for most driving, Will the programmer help the economy and driveability part and hopefully smooth out the powerband. Because I don't believe the edge helps the economy at all, it is also a little jerky in and out of it's powerbands. the edge doesn't help to many things at all. I want to keep the powerband down in the lower rpm's. I don't want to be running much above the 3000 rpm range.
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I apprietiate the advise. I was hoping to double up on the low end power and back off on the high end,I'am understanding the superchips helps the low end by changing the stratagy, witch also helps fuel economy under normal driving conditions, while the edge just adds fuel and timing after the PCM. The edge doesn't help the trans either. I have noticed a trend on here, the only people boosting about fuel economy are the superchips owners, while people with the edge do talk about the added power. I live in northern michigan and spend 8 hrs a day pushing snow.(when it snows)
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Originally Posted by Jerricho
I apprietiate the advise. I was hoping to double up on the low end power and back off on the high end,I'am understanding the superchips helps the low end by changing the stratagy, witch also helps fuel economy under normal driving conditions, while the edge just adds fuel and timing after the PCM. The edge doesn't help the trans either. I have noticed a trend on here, the only people boosting about fuel economy are the superchips owners, while people with the edge do talk about the added power. I live in northern michigan and spend 8 hrs a day pushing snow.(when it snows)
Also, these gains become larger with increased load (towing, hauling, snowplow, etc...)
Another thing:
Contrary to popular opinion, you CAN use the added power and still get better mileage. All maps are rescaled and the truck now makes more power more efficiently (less calulated engine load is required to make the same or more power).
Now, this doesn't mean you can go around at WOT all of the time and get better mileage, but you can drive the truck "spirited" and still get better mileage than stock in most cases.
The power does not all come from fuel, but from injector timing, remapped boost, etc...
The SCMT really shines when towing or hauling loads.
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Originally Posted by Jerricho
I apprietiate the advise. I was hoping to double up on the )
Each tuning product has a given fueling rate for a given injector timing setting and so on fr all engine/trans functions.
Stacking often results in excessive overfueling at low end, and low end torque loss (not to mention excessive injection timing, which can expire the engine very quickly).
There is a safe window with most engine parameters taht if it's passed it will not only not make any more power, but sacrifice engine life.
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Originally Posted by VegasSuperDuty
The SCMT will give you less lowend power than your Edge. Run the Edge on 1 or 2 if you want better mileage. Remember if you actually use the aded power a tuner gives you, you will use MORE fuel.
(see my other posts)