Gas vs PSD
Cargo Master
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I guess it's ok to make up numbers to make your side look good? That is the ONLY way to come up with the 3-5x as much maintenance costs.
I just went through all the ford diesels fuel filter prices and the highest I coudl find of ANY of them was the 6.0 at $47 NOT $60 and honestly I don't change the filter on my 7.3 anymore then the gas motors I run.
As to other maintenance costs. The only diesel specific costs on my truck was my glow plugs. I paid $60 for all 8 and I replaced the glow plug controller at the cost of $34. I have spend other money but htat was by choice modifications (new exhaust system for example) (other stuff is the unit bearings and ball joints, an altenator brakes, fan belt and hoses etc which can be issues no matter which engine your running)
Also I was laughing at the part of a post talking about how diesel absorbs water vs gas.... yeah right. Gas begins to deteriorate immediately after refining. BOTH diesel and gas get water in them but it does NOT come from absorption (with the exception of ethanol blended gas, the alchahol absorbs water) rather it comes from condensation.
Next the gas is a much lighter fuel and evaporates the flammable part of the fuel whereas diesel does not. and lastly gasoline oxidizes at a rate much higher then diesel thus it's actual shelf life is MUCH MUCH lower. (you can store gas in an airtight container with minimal airspace and it will store for years as long as it is NOT an ethanol blend. You can store diesel in the fuel tank for years and still not worry as long as the tank is full so it doesn't get condensation in it.
like i have said earlier and Art just mentioned his truck is right for him, mine is right for me. But dont' blow made up numbers up someplace to justify the V10 claiming it is sssssooooooo much more cost effective to the tuen of 5x as much it is NOT. It's just your choice and if you like it then it's the right choice for you. I would take anyone on and claim that you buy the truck new own it for 10yrs and sell it add ALL the costs up for the entire life then subtract sales price and there won't be a nickles difference in the costs over that time.
Edit: just did a NADA check using my truck as the background vehicle. The V10 owners LOVE to make the point that a diesel costs more to buy. ok but it brings more when you sell it. my truck example the put a clean retail value at $12,600 leaving everything the same just switching to the V10 and it was $9,075 that is a $3525 difference so like i just said it ends up balancing out in the end.
I just went through all the ford diesels fuel filter prices and the highest I coudl find of ANY of them was the 6.0 at $47 NOT $60 and honestly I don't change the filter on my 7.3 anymore then the gas motors I run.
As to other maintenance costs. The only diesel specific costs on my truck was my glow plugs. I paid $60 for all 8 and I replaced the glow plug controller at the cost of $34. I have spend other money but htat was by choice modifications (new exhaust system for example) (other stuff is the unit bearings and ball joints, an altenator brakes, fan belt and hoses etc which can be issues no matter which engine your running)
Also I was laughing at the part of a post talking about how diesel absorbs water vs gas.... yeah right. Gas begins to deteriorate immediately after refining. BOTH diesel and gas get water in them but it does NOT come from absorption (with the exception of ethanol blended gas, the alchahol absorbs water) rather it comes from condensation.
Next the gas is a much lighter fuel and evaporates the flammable part of the fuel whereas diesel does not. and lastly gasoline oxidizes at a rate much higher then diesel thus it's actual shelf life is MUCH MUCH lower. (you can store gas in an airtight container with minimal airspace and it will store for years as long as it is NOT an ethanol blend. You can store diesel in the fuel tank for years and still not worry as long as the tank is full so it doesn't get condensation in it.
like i have said earlier and Art just mentioned his truck is right for him, mine is right for me. But dont' blow made up numbers up someplace to justify the V10 claiming it is sssssooooooo much more cost effective to the tuen of 5x as much it is NOT. It's just your choice and if you like it then it's the right choice for you. I would take anyone on and claim that you buy the truck new own it for 10yrs and sell it add ALL the costs up for the entire life then subtract sales price and there won't be a nickles difference in the costs over that time.
Edit: just did a NADA check using my truck as the background vehicle. The V10 owners LOVE to make the point that a diesel costs more to buy. ok but it brings more when you sell it. my truck example the put a clean retail value at $12,600 leaving everything the same just switching to the V10 and it was $9,075 that is a $3525 difference so like i just said it ends up balancing out in the end.
For my side? Why don't you read b4 speak. I own a 6.0l psd. I aint on no body's side.
When was changing glow plugs maintance?
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Edit: just did a NADA check using my truck as the background vehicle. The V10 owners LOVE to make the point that a diesel costs more to buy. ok but it brings more when you sell it. my truck example the put a clean retail value at $12,600 leaving everything the same just switching to the V10 and it was $9,075 that is a $3525 difference so like i just said it ends up balancing out in the end.
Hotshot
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From: iowa
Boy aint you barking up the wrong tree. I'll getcha off my tree as soon as I get home to a scanner. International filters are $49 total w/ tax is $53.50 and motorcraft is $46 total w/ tax is $62. I said the cost was x2 not x3-5. But it very well can be. When your oil and filter damn near cost x3 as much.
For my side? Why don't you read b4 speak. I own a 6.0l psd. I aint on no body's side.
When was changing glow plugs maintance?
For my side? Why don't you read b4 speak. I own a 6.0l psd. I aint on no body's side.
When was changing glow plugs maintance?
top filter cost was $47 as I said, the 7.3 is $19 at best.
and maybe you didn't say 3-5 but a LOT of people keep throwing that figure out and it is BS pure and simple. you can't prove that much difference even at double let alone 5 times as much.
PS I did quote you, but it wasn't neccesarily directed AT you I just went back and found the first one I say using the mythical $60 fuel filter number (which only remotely close on the 6.0 everything else is a lot less. The 6.4 is $35, I pay $15 for Wix filters for my 7.3)
Edit and to answer the part about glow plugs I was just showing a repair/maint cost that is diesel ONLY cause that is ALL my truck costs me vs spark plugs on the gasser. I never had to put a cps in that everone tries to bash the 7.3 with, mine was on the original one at 125,000 miles when it was done under the recall. Still using the original transmission/TC etc only thing ever done was changed fluid and filter at 100k miles on and on.
Hotshot
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From: iowa
Some areas that is true. I have never seen diesels sit on the lots anywhere but locally neither does the V10s so it's not a fair to say they always sit on lots. BUT they do always sell for a lot less then any of the diesels. Also my F250 PSD is the only vehicle other then my 67 galaxie that a dealer has ever ASKED me to sell to him. They aren't asking the V10 guys. (local dealer has a list of guys wanting to buy a decent 7.3 so they never even get them on the lot, just call up the first guy on the list and it's gone)
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From: Itinerant
Finally got to sit down and figure the numbers for 2010 on the truck.
60,152 miles driven
Gas $15,524.30
Gal 5,988.05
25 cents a mile
10.04 average MPG (I wish I would of recorded the towing miles better and couldn't tell, will keep better record this year.)
$2.59 average a gallon
$42.79 - 1 oil change on the road traveling.
$36.70 - 10 Oil filters @ 3.67 each.
$220.71 - 70 Qts (5w20 Motorcraft $2.62 average.)
$40.37 - 3 fuel filters. (15.99/9.39/14.99)
$15.99 - 1 Air filter.
$110.82 - 10 Spark plugs. (Motorcraft)
Total $430.68
$430.68 + $15,524.30(gas)=$15.954.98
$15,954.98 divided by 60,152(miles)=26 cents per mile.
All maintenance on truck was done by me except for the Trans. flush and the 1 oil change.
Other expense not figured in the amount above are list below, figured it would be a wash seeing that the gas/psd would both have the same to do.
$192.11 Trans. flush
$85.98 Front/rear brake pads
$9.94 wipers
$11.99 windshield repair kit
$1,024.44 6 Tires
$??? Who knows how many cold ones while working on the truck.
Maybe this will help someone Figuring the cost for them to run their truck and make an educated decision on which platform(gas/dsl) works better for them.
Copy and pasted from this thread..https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ml#post9894548
No made up numbers. Receipts for it all.
144,000 miles now... seems to me the only ones gripping about the v10 mileage is the DSL guys.
The problem I have with the DSLs are when you break down and I personally feel you will break down with the newer ones I could be at the end of a long line. If in some off the wall place could make it even harder. If the trucks not moving I'm not making income.
60,152 miles driven
Gas $15,524.30
Gal 5,988.05
25 cents a mile
10.04 average MPG (I wish I would of recorded the towing miles better and couldn't tell, will keep better record this year.)
$2.59 average a gallon
$42.79 - 1 oil change on the road traveling.
$36.70 - 10 Oil filters @ 3.67 each.
$220.71 - 70 Qts (5w20 Motorcraft $2.62 average.)
$40.37 - 3 fuel filters. (15.99/9.39/14.99)
$15.99 - 1 Air filter.
$110.82 - 10 Spark plugs. (Motorcraft)
Total $430.68
$430.68 + $15,524.30(gas)=$15.954.98
$15,954.98 divided by 60,152(miles)=26 cents per mile.
All maintenance on truck was done by me except for the Trans. flush and the 1 oil change.
Other expense not figured in the amount above are list below, figured it would be a wash seeing that the gas/psd would both have the same to do.
$192.11 Trans. flush
$85.98 Front/rear brake pads
$9.94 wipers
$11.99 windshield repair kit
$1,024.44 6 Tires
$??? Who knows how many cold ones while working on the truck.
Maybe this will help someone Figuring the cost for them to run their truck and make an educated decision on which platform(gas/dsl) works better for them.
Copy and pasted from this thread..https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ml#post9894548
No made up numbers. Receipts for it all.
144,000 miles now... seems to me the only ones gripping about the v10 mileage is the DSL guys.
The problem I have with the DSLs are when you break down and I personally feel you will break down with the newer ones I could be at the end of a long line. If in some off the wall place could make it even harder. If the trucks not moving I'm not making income.
Cargo Master
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I just added up cost between a 6.8 and a 6.0 on 105k miles. I can do a good comparison of these 2 engines cause my 4.6s, 5.4, and 6.2l share the same oil filter w/ the 6.8 and I have a 6.0.I left out the transmission cost cause there's 2 different transmissions in relation to the gas engines because they go back longer and if its 3v engines then the price will just depend on if you flush or just drain.
The 6.0 in 105k miles
14 oil changes @ $60=$840
7 fuel filters. @ $60=$420
1 air filter. =$ 60
Total=$1320
6.8 over 105k
21 oil changes @$30=$630
3 fuel filters. @$10=$ 30
3 air filters. @$15=$ 45
Total=$705
I use motorcraft for just about everything but castrol oil for my gassers and fram air filter for my psd.
I think this is a good comparison
The 6.0 in 105k miles
14 oil changes @ $60=$840
7 fuel filters. @ $60=$420
1 air filter. =$ 60
Total=$1320
6.8 over 105k
21 oil changes @$30=$630
3 fuel filters. @$10=$ 30
3 air filters. @$15=$ 45
Total=$705
I use motorcraft for just about everything but castrol oil for my gassers and fram air filter for my psd.
I think this is a good comparison
Cargo Master
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try again.
top filter cost was $47 as I said, the 7.3 is $19 at best.
Where are you paying 40% sales tax? (do the math on your prices here) and it STILL isn't $60 each.
and maybe you didn't say 3-5 but a LOT of people keep throwing that figure out and it is BS pure and simple. you can't prove that much difference even at double let alone 5 times as much.
PS I did quote you, but it wasn't neccesarily directed AT you I just went back and found the first one I say using the mythical $60 fuel filter number (which only remotely close on the 6.0 everything else is a lot less. The 6.4 is $35, I pay $15 for Wix filters for my 7.3)
Edit and to answer the part about glow plugs I was just showing a repair/maint cost that is diesel ONLY cause that is ALL my truck costs me vs spark plugs on the gasser. I never had to put a cps in that everone tries to bash the 7.3 with, mine was on the original one at 125,000 miles when it was done under the recall. Still using the original transmission/TC etc only thing ever done was changed fluid and filter at 100k miles on and on.
top filter cost was $47 as I said, the 7.3 is $19 at best.
Where are you paying 40% sales tax? (do the math on your prices here) and it STILL isn't $60 each.
and maybe you didn't say 3-5 but a LOT of people keep throwing that figure out and it is BS pure and simple. you can't prove that much difference even at double let alone 5 times as much.
PS I did quote you, but it wasn't neccesarily directed AT you I just went back and found the first one I say using the mythical $60 fuel filter number (which only remotely close on the 6.0 everything else is a lot less. The 6.4 is $35, I pay $15 for Wix filters for my 7.3)
Edit and to answer the part about glow plugs I was just showing a repair/maint cost that is diesel ONLY cause that is ALL my truck costs me vs spark plugs on the gasser. I never had to put a cps in that everone tries to bash the 7.3 with, mine was on the original one at 125,000 miles when it was done under the recall. Still using the original transmission/TC etc only thing ever done was changed fluid and filter at 100k miles on and on.
If the other psds use different filters cool. Then I'm just talking about the 6.0. I figured they all carried yhe same.
My 4.6s-6.2 carry the same. Well I'm not sure if everything on the 6.2 is thr same yet but at least up to the 6.8.
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From: CA Bay Area
I am still amazed how you guys are comparing different engines economy by comparing cost of filters. Per my estimates, not counting repairs.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
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Cargo Master
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I am still amazed how you guys are comparing different engines economy by comparing cost of filters. Per my estimates, not counting repairs.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
Dude you don't what your talking about. The 04 f150 I just bought from my wife has 211k miles on it. I ordered the truck for her when she graduated vet. School. I'm the only one that has turned a wrench on it. Its had no repairs. Its rock solid and has no signs of going down anytime soon.
I judt don't like the sparkplug problem.
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I just added up cost between a 6.8 and a 6.0 on 105k miles. I can do a good comparison of these 2 engines cause my 4.6s, 5.4, and 6.2l share the same oil filter w/ the 6.8 and I have a 6.0.I left out the transmission cost cause there's 2 different transmissions in relation to the gas engines because they go back longer and if its 3v engines then the price will just depend on if you flush or just drain.
The 6.0 in 105k miles
14 oil changes @ $60=$840
7 fuel filters. @ $60=$420
1 air filter. =$ 60
Total=$1320
6.8 over 105k
21 oil changes @$30=$630
3 fuel filters. @$10=$ 30
3 air filters. @$15=$ 45
Total=$705
I use motorcraft for just about everything but castrol oil for my gassers and fram air filter for my psd.
I think this is a good comparison
The 6.0 in 105k miles
14 oil changes @ $60=$840
7 fuel filters. @ $60=$420
1 air filter. =$ 60
Total=$1320
6.8 over 105k
21 oil changes @$30=$630
3 fuel filters. @$10=$ 30
3 air filters. @$15=$ 45
Total=$705
I use motorcraft for just about everything but castrol oil for my gassers and fram air filter for my psd.
I think this is a good comparison
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 336
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I am still amazed how you guys are comparing different engines economy by comparing cost of filters. Per my estimates, not counting repairs.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
-the fuel/air filters cost adds 0.4 cents per mile.
-oil/filter cost is 1 cent per mile (and I am calculating synthetic)
-average fuel cost for my truck averaging 15,000 lb is 43 cents.
total average cost driving PS is 44.5 cents per mile
Would I drive V10 the fuel alone would cost me at least 55 cents a mile.
And I am not even saying that I would need 3 gasoline engines replaced to get the life I will get out of PS
So what big difference do few cents on filters make?
Thankyouverymuch.
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Some areas that is true. I have never seen diesels sit on the lots anywhere but locally neither does the V10s so it's not a fair to say they always sit on lots. BUT they do always sell for a lot less then any of the diesels. Also my F250 PSD is the only vehicle other then my 67 galaxie that a dealer has ever ASKED me to sell to him. They aren't asking the V10 guys. (local dealer has a list of guys wanting to buy a decent 7.3 so they never even get them on the lot, just call up the first guy on the list and it's gone)
Lead Driver
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Just a note on the filters, fuel filters in particular,
I know guys with diesels usually change then frequently, but I think that is more of a precaution than a necessity...
On my 7.3, I just put the 3rd fuel filter in it ever, at 330,000 kms, and the old one still looked brand new.
Not saying this is what everyone should do, but hey, mine never had an issue and ran like new.
I think many of the fuel filters are 100% good when they get changed, its just that because of the cost of the engine, its not worth the chance.
I know guys with diesels usually change then frequently, but I think that is more of a precaution than a necessity...
On my 7.3, I just put the 3rd fuel filter in it ever, at 330,000 kms, and the old one still looked brand new.
Not saying this is what everyone should do, but hey, mine never had an issue and ran like new.
I think many of the fuel filters are 100% good when they get changed, its just that because of the cost of the engine, its not worth the chance.
Cargo Master
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Parkland I'm sorry that not the case. 15k miles is the change ford calls for. In the 6.0 section a lot of guys believe and preach 5k oil changes and 10k fuel filter changes. I've gambled and went w/ the ford maintance shedule.