i dunno much about the RV's that are out there, but theres a "pusher" rv that i always see when i go to new hampshire to visit my GF. . .it has a giant "powered by cat" badge on the back, right above the soot covered chrome tailpipe. by the looks of it, the thing costs a 1/2 a million bucks.

 

Well, since this is a Ford fan website, and a Superduty forum where this thread lives, I was under the mistaken impression we were talking about F53-size chassis and RVs.

Oh well, I should know better

 

Well... you are the one who extended your gasoline fumes loving from Superduty to RV industry

 

Let's see. 758 pages, with over 11,000 posts. We might deviate from the original post from time to time!!!

It's a good thing we ain't talking politics!

 

And wrong yet again x2.

Your 100% mark is 100% wrong. This is actually quite funny because I went to several rv dealer sites and found that the ONLY ones that are diesel above $100k are diesel pushers. None of which are PSD or V10. You step down one notch to class A and about 80% of them above the $100k mark are V10, the rest are Duramax. Not a single psd in sight.

Why do you think that you have a water separator on your truck? The water in your pitiful fuel you burn has the inherent problem of absorbing water in it causing corrosion and ruining your engines fuel system components over time, especially if it sits for prolonged periods of time.

BTW: I wouldn't want a nasty diesel smell in my rv had I paid any price for it.

 

You must be huffing diesel exhaust.

 

Brother come on. Does someone really have to explain this to you. Aight then I'll try. Bare with me. Oil sold retailed is pretty much sold price per quart. Psds hold 15 quarts. That's 2ce as much oil. Sure diesel oil is a few cents cheaper but... The oil filter for all the modulars is the same so your looking at $5-$7 verses $15-$20 for the psd. W/ the 7.3 @ 10k oil changes you might beable to break even down the road somewhere with oil changes. The psds are looking at $60 fuelfilters every 15k. On the gassers what is it? Like $10 every 30k? It doesn't take a cpa degree to input these numbers into your favorite calculator and see that maintance is higher for the diesel. Not 5x it would be pushing it alittle to 3 times but its at least 2ce as much.
Parkland I know why Kevin hotshots a gasser. It makes sense to me "for him". He doesn't want something he can't work on his self. I guess the thing you don't see is the money he makes and once the cost to fix is to high he buys a new one. He then can depressates that money over the next 5 yrs. Plus the cost or interrest off his taxes.Put it in this respect we don't think anything about a guy buying a $30k mustang or camaro to drive to his $30k a year job. That car will never earn its keep. Most inter city people driving what 3 miles if that to work? There's buses, taxies, bikes, and smallier cars. All sorts of other ways to get to work.

 

Post #44 on page 3....... ROFL!!!!!!!! Been a long time since I laughed like that.

 

yea they still do actually. . .3-5x? the powerstrokes lame 60 dollar fuel filter setup is hilarious (i also was unaware they were that much, mines 9.99). . .

how much more does it cost for an oil change in a diesel? 50-100% more (depending on capacity)? and how much longer does it last? 50-100% longer? 50% longer AT LEAST. . .

so the only argument left, would be that the cost of fuel filters bascially offset the cost of spark ignition components. . .those oddly shaped spark plugs arent cheap (nor are the coils). so now we're lookin at what for maintenance . . .breaking even? maintenance and repairs are 2 different things. repair costs for diesels do cost more, yes. but the longevity of the motor itself compensates for that. overhaul costs are certainly not cheap for a v10, especially if you include a valve job for a set of 30v heads that a common machine shop doesnt see very often. . . . . . . . . .at best, they break even. . . .

so, suggesting its 3-5x is whats so laughable. . .not the "extra maintenance" needed for a diesel. . .1.5x, maybe. . .which takes a mosquito bite out of the obese body that would be money saved in fuel consumption over the life of a vehicle.

 

B.S. again. Seems every bit of propaganda you spout is 100% wrong. Looks to me like only a handful of PSDs have made it to the 1 mil mile mark. Quite a few modulars have, some are still going strong after that mark too.

I know its not a v10 but heres a 1.2million mile van.

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oh please, specifically cite anything ive said as wrong (theres plenty of my posts to pick from). pick it apart why dont you, no1 else has with any success. and pullin some guy off the internet who claims a million miles on a motor is hardly sound evidence of anything, whether it was me postin up a pic of some million mile diesel truck that ive never seen in person, with a driver that ive never met in person, with a motor that could have so much blowby that it makes 150 hp less than it should (or some fanatical brand loyal goon who has gone through 3 motors but will forever claim his million mile truck never so much had a failed water pump). hardly sound evidence. like i said, pick apart anything ive said and we'll see how far that gets you.

my buddy owns a fleet of tow trucks (prob a dozen and a half, all ford from 7.3 to 6.7 [i deleted emissions and studded his 6.blows]) . runnin them 24/7, half the trucks he's had since he started the company 10 years ago. and they all have close to a million miles, some are even higher. . .they sound awful, theyve been through many trannys, but he still makes money off of them and will until they stop workin (hes already retired a few). . .even if that guy in that home-made link did make it to a million miles, what % make it even to 500,000? of course im not even gonna use a cummins as a comparison, plenty of big rigs have 2-3 million + miles on the same bottom end. thats pretty common practice. . .lets see that with any modular. . .(especially towin loads its entire life). as i said before, your modular v10 doesnt defy physics. lets say that guy went a million miles, no overhauls (he admits it runs poorly, and im sure it has for quite some time) thats not an accurate depiction of what the motors will typically do. its like the politicians who cite a prosperous company in times of struggle and claim the economy is strong, when most of the companies are hurting or going outta business. . . .(sounds like im not the one practicing propoganda).

EDIT: for kicks, i asked him what his highest mileage motor was, turns out its onea the 7.3's with 1.7million miles. 4 trucks are over a million. this is common practice for companies where the amount of money they make is correlated to the money they spend on new trucks. the longer they run 'em, the more money they make. im sure most of the towing companies have 1million + mile rigs in their fleet.

 

I don't know who said the 450/550 didn't come w/ a diesel. I just got my quaote for an 11 f550 w/ a 6.7 psd. They do come w/ a psd. F650/750 don't come w/ a v10 it comes with an I6. A cummins.
Ford puts the psd in every SD under the f650. So did they just start doing this for the 11 model year?

 

The F-650 and F-750 have been using the 6.7l cummins for some years now. For 2012 the 650 and 750 is going to getting the 6.8l 3V V10 (with the 6R140 trans) which can be ordered to run on gasoline or CNG. The V10 equipped truck is estimated to cost around $8k less than the standard 6.7l cummins ISB (200hp) diesel truck. I'm not sure when/if Fords new 6.7l is going to be put into the medium duty trucks.

The 6.8l has been available in the 450 and 550 for over a decade now same with the PSDs.

 

Yea I knew the v10 has been in the f450/550. Somebody had said that the psd wasn't avaible. I just found on greglist a 09 f450 w/ a 6.4l so that answered my question if 2012 was the 1st year. What is medium duty?
The commerical dealership told me the only drivetrain in the f550/650 was the 6.7 cummins. I dont know how true this is. I was thinking about buying a f550 until I got the price. I'm very content w/ what I have.

 

This is crazy. The v10 can either pull as good as a diesel, or it can get similar mileage, it can not do both.

This thread is full of "Yeah but if i put XX gears in my v10, it will get better mileage!!"

Well pick one,

1. Are you gonna hang with the diesels and admit the fuel economy needed to do it?

2. Take better mileage at a slight towing handicap.