Ford puts heaters everywhere on the diesel's, dont they?

 

yea, wth are glow plugs

 

I'm not seeing many 6.4L's make over 150K miles without needing a set of rocker arms.
I've never seen a 6.8L wear out a part as simple as a rocker arm in that timeframe.
JL

 

Yes, and out here in Cali they are now requiring Diesels to be smogged, I bought my '02 about five years ago, in part to increase my fuel mileage and decrease my costs (diesel USED to be cheaper), and in part to avoid the smog requirements.

Both the cost savings and the smog avoidance are now out the window for me. I love my 7.3, but I have doubts about my next truck being a diesel.

 

Pure statement of fact.

 

You are still missing few more points to compare.
-diesel is the cheapest fuel to manufacture, so hopefully the price will drop
-good vehicles run on Premium, that in some stations is still more expensive than diesel
-California gasoline has less and less gasoline in it. In the past, when still driving gas wagon I experienced about 15% higher mpg after filling up in Arizona (Nevada is selling gas from CA)
-even diesel require smog check now, the check is a joke. I just had smog done on my diesel sedan. Out of list of things to check only 2 applied to my sedan and it was like making sure all vacuum hoses are connected. NO SNIFFING
That means that diesel will always pass the inspection easy, while in the past gasoline Chevy would cost me at least $200 in repairs to pass the smog and one time labeled as a gross polluter cost me about a week of my time and few hundreds $$ to put back on the road>

 

But have you seen many 6.0 or 7.3s needing moving parts in that little time?
I love Fords period. I spend some time at the Ford dealers looking. Since getting my diesel my visits has included conversations with techs. What get from them is that the engines parts and performances is rock solid. The problems are the copondents. Mainly the emmission copondents. Doing a search found over 80% of claims is copondents and 90% having something to do w/ emmissions.
I don't know what international was thinking w/ their head on the 6.0l and I don't know what they did w/ the 6.4 to counter their lack of thought. That being said my brother's 6.0 has over 300k miles on those heads. What does new heads cost? How much money can you make in 300k miles? I've made $150k in 120k miles over 5 years. I gave $30k for it w/ 30k miles on it. I've spent $100 in repairs and somewhere between $400-$550 in maintance a year. Did I come out ahead? I pull a 38' gooseneck with hay weighing between 16k-20k.
Have I done anything a 6.8 owner can't do? I don't think so other than pulling the same load further on the same tank of fuel.

 

We've actually done this 4 times now. See links below. We are planning a 5th meet in August. Be on the look out for the threads about this one sometime soon.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...entral-oh.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-part-2-a.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ith-video.html

Note: I just post the links from the SD forum. There are other ones from out meets in the 6.7, 6.4, 6.0, 6.8 and General Diesel as well.

EDIT: There is also the Carlisle Truck Meet every year as well.
http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/eve...uck-nationals/

 

The other day I was at a dealership looking at 150's for the wife, they had a chassis cab with 420,000 kms's on it, which would roughly be maybe 280,000 miles.

I test drove it for shnits and giggles, it ran just as nice as my 350 6.4 at home with 60,000 km's.

They said it was used with a 25 ft cube box on it on a newspaper deliver route, and the only repairs done were to a door handle, DPF replacement, and the fuel system at 15,000 because someone filled it with gasoline.

I guarantee you that a 6.8 diesel will never move a commercial vehicle that many miles, carrying that much weight day in and day out, and get the same mileage. If it was possible, people and businesses would be doing it.

I'm not saying that the 6.8 or gas motors are junk, I'm just saying they have their place. Some, like the 6.8 are great at towing, but not as good as a diesel.

The only 6.4's I've seen with major problems so far, are trucks that are being used as daily drivers. Any 6.4's that I have personally known the owner etc, that are used for heavy duty work, have been fine.

Thinking of one person in particular, who has all brands of trucks, 7.3's, 6.4's new cummins, duramax.... the biggest problem he's having with any of them is the dmax, specifically the transmissions and fuel system.

In fairness, I personally thing the DMAX is the leader right now for lighter use. They are a lighter truck, can pull like a monster, and are fun to drive. They just are not holding up as good as the others when being run hard.

 

Who makes the 6.8 diesel?

Seriously, please provide some proof for this. Can you find us some heavily used worn-out V10s? If so I wanna see 'em!

 

Considering all the E series shuttle buses powered by the V10 I would say thats a poor assumption to make. Especially since some of them can have over 400k miles when they are retired.

 

The E-series doesn't come close to the GCVW of a pickup and loaded trailer.

You're talking about essentially an over sized van.

There are vehicles in that class using far smaller diesels than what we have in these pickup trucks.

 

CRAP lol, 6.8 diesel , sorry.


I only know 2 people who ever had them, they bought them because they said the mileage was decent for what it was, and they could still pull a big trailer once in a while no problem.

I could tell you a story of 1 man that used one for a hot shot business till it died, but this is only one story. His normal diesel truck got bad fuel, went to the shop for repairs for 3 weeks. Meantime, he's using his personal truck, v10 ford SD, to run his business.
These trailers we're about 14,000lbs average, some less, some more, mostly downhole drilling tools, BOPS, oilfield stuff.

He told me that the truck's oil turned blacker than his diesel, the mileage was way less, and the last time I saw him the valves we're clicking really bad, I don't know why, neither did he. IT still ran good, but just really bad valve ticking. This was a newer truck, that was in pristine condition, and began signs of wear in only 20,000 km's ( 15,000 miles?) of heavy use.

I'm fairly certain that the reason you don't see worn v10's everywhere is because people that are really working their trucks are smart enough to buy a diesel.

 

CRAthat could be one side of the story. Other side is that you can't work hard a truck that require fuel break every 2 hr.

 

lol

It gets even worse the bigger you go.

If you want to talk about peak HP mileage, the diesel will spin circles around a gasser any time, anywhere. If you actually had a GCVW than needed 300 hp to pull, I would'nt be surprised if the gas job drank 2x the fuel.