Gas vs PSD
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 469
Likes: 1
Dont hear many complaints other than horrible mpgs.
Cargo Master
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,413
Likes: 11
His gross is between 16k-17k.
Yea it can be done.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
Not sure what the midsize e-series busses wheigh in at but the v10 is very common in the class a, b, and c motorhomes and they go well over 22000lbs. And have huge frontal area. And have a 5k toad (towed behind car). Those are factory ratings most people that dare weigh their class "a" tow combo are Often well over 26000lbs. That is 100% of the mileage on the odometer. What % of you psd mileage is at 25000lb or higher?
Dont hear many complaints other than horrible mpgs.
Dont hear many complaints other than horrible mpgs.
My grandma had a big one with a 351, but it was '88 model i think, only had 70,000 km's on it when it was just garbage, around 2006.
A friend has a bus style one, with an 8.3 cummins, again very low mileage. Looks 1990's.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
I can too. His hasn't died. He's been hot shotting for 24 yrs and has never owned a diesel. He drives every truck until the repairs cost more than its worth. He buys gassers cause he doesn't know how to work on diesels. He has 345k on an 07 he bought in 08.
His gross is between 16k-17k.
Yea it can be done.
His gross is between 16k-17k.
Yea it can be done.
15 us mpg 23000
12 us mpg 28750
5750 gallons more for gas or 21735 liters of extra fuel, in the event of getting 3 MPG better mileage, which is realistic of comparing a v10 to diesel.
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 469
Likes: 1
Parkland you are right most people only put 10-15k a yea on an rv if fulltiming and even less if part time. But like i said 100% of the time is at 26k gross and a huge flat frontal area. So a 50k mile rv has seen very heavy service which was the point in response to the argument it couldnt handle hard service like a newspaper box van.
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 336
Likes: 1
This is the reason I choose a diesel over the v 10 is the diesel is more economical for me. Here is what i mean,
Average Fuel Prices Per Year:
gas diesel
2007 2.796 2.942
2008 3.246 3.814
2009 2.353 2.473
2010 2.782 2.993
Driving 40000 miles per year with the v 10 getting 11 mpg and the diesel getting 15 mpg. [ i got these numbers from my experience with both]
Cost per year
gas diesel
2007 10166.25 7846.31
2008 11802.46 10171.94
2009 8555.51 6595.49
2010 10115.35 7982.33
total 40639.57 32596.07
Now thats a difference of 8043.50 in savings by owning the diesel opposed to the v 10.
Alright lets say its time to trade at 160,000 miles, same truck, same options just different motors.
V 10 truck's trade in value at kbb 12675
Diesel trucks's trade value at kbb 16550.
Thats an increase of 3875 for the diesel. So yea it costs more to buy up front but the diesel saved me 8043.50 in fuel plus will yield me 3875 more in trade in value. [ the fuel prices were pulled from annual national averages for 87 octane and ulsd diesel. The mileage from my truck and my friends v 10. Both trucks see about same towing and just driving time.]
Average Fuel Prices Per Year:
gas diesel
2007 2.796 2.942
2008 3.246 3.814
2009 2.353 2.473
2010 2.782 2.993
Driving 40000 miles per year with the v 10 getting 11 mpg and the diesel getting 15 mpg. [ i got these numbers from my experience with both]
Cost per year
gas diesel
2007 10166.25 7846.31
2008 11802.46 10171.94
2009 8555.51 6595.49
2010 10115.35 7982.33
total 40639.57 32596.07
Now thats a difference of 8043.50 in savings by owning the diesel opposed to the v 10.
Alright lets say its time to trade at 160,000 miles, same truck, same options just different motors.
V 10 truck's trade in value at kbb 12675
Diesel trucks's trade value at kbb 16550.
Thats an increase of 3875 for the diesel. So yea it costs more to buy up front but the diesel saved me 8043.50 in fuel plus will yield me 3875 more in trade in value. [ the fuel prices were pulled from annual national averages for 87 octane and ulsd diesel. The mileage from my truck and my friends v 10. Both trucks see about same towing and just driving time.]
Thsi has been gone over literally 10,000 times in the past. The costs are a wash.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,267
Likes: 5
I think there are a few v10 owners here that are being a bit optimistic about mileage.
I just spoke with an old-co worker that does hauling on the side. He's been delivering portable toilets with his old man on 5th wheel trailers.
He says
2001 6.8 = 6 mpg
2003 6.0 = 12 mpg
This is not a heavy load, just hits lots of wind.
Unloaded he said 6.0=17 6.8 = 14
These trucks are running same trip, same time, same course.
Only difference is the diesel is a crew cab, the gas is a extended cab 4 door.
I don't know many people with a v10.
Maybe this guys 6.8 isnt running as good as some of your guy's trucks, but he said it is a nice truck though. I've honestly never seen it, just going on what he says.
Theres a business down the road, I'm calling them tomorrow to ask about this, I think they have a few, and they also have every brand of HD pickup there is. About 30 of them.
I just spoke with an old-co worker that does hauling on the side. He's been delivering portable toilets with his old man on 5th wheel trailers.
He says
2001 6.8 = 6 mpg
2003 6.0 = 12 mpg
This is not a heavy load, just hits lots of wind.
Unloaded he said 6.0=17 6.8 = 14
These trucks are running same trip, same time, same course.
Only difference is the diesel is a crew cab, the gas is a extended cab 4 door.
I don't know many people with a v10.
Maybe this guys 6.8 isnt running as good as some of your guy's trucks, but he said it is a nice truck though. I've honestly never seen it, just going on what he says.
Theres a business down the road, I'm calling them tomorrow to ask about this, I think they have a few, and they also have every brand of HD pickup there is. About 30 of them.
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now
Brett Foote
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals
Joe Kucinski
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership
Brett Foote
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches
Pouria Savadkouei
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained
Brett Foote
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love
Joe Kucinski
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
You are still missing few more points to compare.
-diesel is the cheapest fuel to manufacture, so hopefully the price will drop
-good vehicles run on Premium, that in some stations is still more expensive than diesel
-California gasoline has less and less gasoline in it. In the past, when still driving gas wagon I experienced about 15% higher mpg after filling up in Arizona >
-diesel is the cheapest fuel to manufacture, so hopefully the price will drop
-good vehicles run on Premium, that in some stations is still more expensive than diesel
-California gasoline has less and less gasoline in it. In the past, when still driving gas wagon I experienced about 15% higher mpg after filling up in Arizona >
So becuase a vehicle was built to run on unleaded to keep the cost down, its not a good car/truck?
I think we can all agree that E10 is crap, but your fuel is not what it used to be either.
We've actually done this 4 times now. See links below. We are planning a 5th meet in August. Be on the look out for the threads about this one sometime soon.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...entral-oh.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-part-2-a.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ith-video.html
Note: I just post the links from the SD forum. There are other ones from out meets in the 6.7, 6.4, 6.0, 6.8 and General Diesel as well.
EDIT: There is also the Carlisle Truck Meet every year as well.
Carlisle Truck Nationals - Lifted, Lowered, 4x4, Mini-Trucks, Classic Trucks, Big Rigs, Monster Trucks, Original Parts, Aftermarket Parts
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...entral-oh.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-part-2-a.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ith-video.html
Note: I just post the links from the SD forum. There are other ones from out meets in the 6.7, 6.4, 6.0, 6.8 and General Diesel as well.
EDIT: There is also the Carlisle Truck Meet every year as well.
Carlisle Truck Nationals - Lifted, Lowered, 4x4, Mini-Trucks, Classic Trucks, Big Rigs, Monster Trucks, Original Parts, Aftermarket Parts
The other day I was at a dealership looking at 150's for the wife, they had a chassis cab with 420,000 kms's on it, which would roughly be maybe 280,000 miles.
I test drove it for shnits and giggles, it ran just as nice as my 350 6.4 at home with 60,000 km's.
They said it was used with a 25 ft cube box on it on a newspaper deliver route, and the only repairs done were to a door handle, DPF replacement, and the fuel system at 15,000 because someone filled it with gasoline.
I guarantee you that a 6.8 diesel will never move a commercial vehicle that many miles, carrying that much weight day in and day out, and get the same mileage. If it was possible, people and businesses would be doing it.
I'm not saying that the 6.8 or gas motors are junk, I'm just saying they have their place. Some, like the 6.8 are great at towing, but not as good as a diesel.
I test drove it for shnits and giggles, it ran just as nice as my 350 6.4 at home with 60,000 km's.
They said it was used with a 25 ft cube box on it on a newspaper deliver route, and the only repairs done were to a door handle, DPF replacement, and the fuel system at 15,000 because someone filled it with gasoline.
I guarantee you that a 6.8 diesel will never move a commercial vehicle that many miles, carrying that much weight day in and day out, and get the same mileage. If it was possible, people and businesses would be doing it.
I'm not saying that the 6.8 or gas motors are junk, I'm just saying they have their place. Some, like the 6.8 are great at towing, but not as good as a diesel.
I could tell you a story of 1 man that used one for a hot shot business till it died, but this is only one story. His normal diesel truck got bad fuel, went to the shop for repairs for 3 weeks. Meantime, he's using his personal truck, v10 ford SD, to run his business.
These trailers we're about 14,000lbs average, some less, some more, mostly downhole drilling tools, BOPS, oilfield stuff.
He told me that the truck's oil turned blacker than his diesel, the mileage was way less, and the last time I saw him the valves we're clicking really bad, I don't know why, neither did he. IT still ran good, but just really bad valve ticking. This was a newer truck, that was in pristine condition, and began signs of wear in only 20,000 km's ( 15,000 miles?) of heavy use.
I'm fairly certain that the reason you don't see worn v10's everywhere is because people that are really working their trucks are smart enough to buy a diesel.
These trailers we're about 14,000lbs average, some less, some more, mostly downhole drilling tools, BOPS, oilfield stuff.
He told me that the truck's oil turned blacker than his diesel, the mileage was way less, and the last time I saw him the valves we're clicking really bad, I don't know why, neither did he. IT still ran good, but just really bad valve ticking. This was a newer truck, that was in pristine condition, and began signs of wear in only 20,000 km's ( 15,000 miles?) of heavy use.
I'm fairly certain that the reason you don't see worn v10's everywhere is because people that are really working their trucks are smart enough to buy a diesel.
My V10 has seen more towing miles, some of it with more weight than that.
The same way you put gas in anything else at night. You stop off the highway at a 24 hour gas pump. Do you really think you need a diesel to fuel up at night?
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,524
Likes: 2
From: CA Bay Area
Not sure what the midsize e-series busses wheigh in at but the v10 is very common in the class a, b, and c motorhomes and they go well over 22000lbs. And have huge frontal area. And have a 5k toad (towed behind car). Those are factory ratings most people that dare weigh their class "a" tow combo are Often well over 26000lbs. That is 100% of the mileage on the odometer. What % of you psd mileage is at 25000lb or higher?
Dont hear many complaints other than horrible mpgs.
Dont hear many complaints other than horrible mpgs.
On the serious note as mentioned nobody buys motorhome for economical travel. Most of RV are driven in the range of 1000 miles a year, so fuel economy is not critical.
Than if you take a close look at low and mid-price RV, the builders priority is "cheap, cheap, cheap"
$15 bathroom faucets, $7 shower heads, body build with particle board and cheap siding. Most of RVs have body integrity so poor, that flat tire usually triggers $3000-5000 body repairs.
I guess we went far away from comparing Super
duties?
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
We are talking about E350-550 based motor homes with the V10 in them.
Thats still on topic.
Thats still on topic.
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 336
Likes: 1
I think there are a few v10 owners here that are being a bit optimistic about mileage.
I just spoke with an old-co worker that does hauling on the side. He's been delivering portable toilets with his old man on 5th wheel trailers.
He says
2001 6.8 = 6 mpg
2003 6.0 = 12 mpg
This is not a heavy load, just hits lots of wind.
Unloaded he said 6.0=17 6.8 = 14
These trucks are running same trip, same time, same course.
Only difference is the diesel is a crew cab, the gas is a extended cab 4 door.
I don't know many people with a v10.
Maybe this guys 6.8 isnt running as good as some of your guy's trucks, but he said it is a nice truck though. I've honestly never seen it, just going on what he says.
Theres a business down the road, I'm calling them tomorrow to ask about this, I think they have a few, and they also have every brand of HD pickup there is. About 30 of them.
I just spoke with an old-co worker that does hauling on the side. He's been delivering portable toilets with his old man on 5th wheel trailers.
He says
2001 6.8 = 6 mpg
2003 6.0 = 12 mpg
This is not a heavy load, just hits lots of wind.
Unloaded he said 6.0=17 6.8 = 14
These trucks are running same trip, same time, same course.
Only difference is the diesel is a crew cab, the gas is a extended cab 4 door.
I don't know many people with a v10.
Maybe this guys 6.8 isnt running as good as some of your guy's trucks, but he said it is a nice truck though. I've honestly never seen it, just going on what he says.
Theres a business down the road, I'm calling them tomorrow to ask about this, I think they have a few, and they also have every brand of HD pickup there is. About 30 of them.
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,524
Likes: 2
From: CA Bay Area
But how do you compare body of Superduty with RV that disintegrate with flat tire?
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 336
Likes: 1
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,524
Likes: 2
From: CA Bay Area
My bus conversion is all steel. Sure the 15 tons for old 318HP Detroit is not making it a rocket, but body with stainless steel siding had 200 more years in it.
And it did survive several flat tires as I can say from polished inner fenders