Show me all these blown up V10's please. In fact show me 1 stock, well maintained blown up V10.

Okay... this is really annoying... do you really think your truck is fast? I mean honestly, if you want something fast, go buy a vet and supercharge it, it will probably cost less anyway. Who goes and buys a 7,000 lb truck that handles like a barge and worries about how fast it is? My truck is slow, I could careless what it's 1/4 mile or 0-60 times are, that is not why I bought it.

As for reliability, the 7.3 you have is good, but lets compare engines from the same decade. So that means the V10 versus the 6.0 and 6.4, do you really want to compare reliability of those engines? I mean there have been massive law suite agianst Navistar from Ford because of the reliability of the 6.0 and 6.4. You can also look at the sheer number of TSB's for those PSD's versus the V10 (the numbers were posted on this thread at some point). If you want to compare the 7.3, compare it to the V8 460 from the same years, not the V10. Back then though, the 7.3 was like a $1000 option, and I would have jumped all over that. Today though, your talking $7k option, much different story.

And just for the record, you can find plenty of stock 6.0 and 6.4 blown... you want examples, search will provide plenty. Here's one example: Ford Techs 6.4 Big problems? - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com <-- this guy had 2 brand new motors put in his truck. One of them you could actually see through the front engine cover.

And yes, the V10 runs at higher RPM's, but the diesels have far more compression since the diesel creates more volumetric expansion than the gas and that causes stress too.

 

My in-laws travel out west every other year. Mother-in-law is from Cottonwood, Idaho. Her 2 brothers and one sister live near Spokane Washington now. They have a motorhome and they always travel a different route when they go out. This year they are planning a trip out route 66. They have a small motorhome since it's just the 2 of them now. They have owned a couple P-30 chasis motorhomes when the kids were still home and traveling with them. Now they have a little one. It's a chevy on a 3/4 ton chasis, about the size of a 15 passenger van.

I've got a sister that lives in Phoenix, and a brother that lives in Los Angeles. I have not been out to see either of them since they moved away. Both usually make it back here once a year. I live about 15 miles from Cincinnati Ohio.

 

Just for the record...I have never disagreed with this. NEVER.
I simply disagree with the blindly ignorant people that will swear that a diesel is the only way a truck can tow anything and not just "blow up" or be "screaming all the time".
JL

 

jrfish007- Your posts seem very reasonable to me and I might have done the same in your position as far as your driving needs. I have never said the V10 is worthless, it has its applications for sure. However, one of them is not being a better towing truck than a stroke.

In defense of travis, his truck is pretty BA. I would love to put those numbers down on a dyno. For some of us diesel guys modifying our trucks to make more power, pull harder, go faster, etc. becomes a addicting hobby.

 

So some of the V10 guys are reasonable after all. And yes, for occasional towing I have no problem with guys using a V10 truck.

 

Like I mentioned in my eariler posts, crankshaft tq means nothing when it comes to towing, it is how much tq you put to the ground. The psd will definitely get the load moving faster. There is no doubt about that at all. But the simple fact is, by the time the psd has to shift to 2nd, 3rd and 4th because it has ran out of rpms, the v10 is still going to be in 2nd gear. So even though the psd is making 200 or more lbs of tq at the crank, it will be putting less tq to the ground because it will have worse gearing. By that point, the v10 will have caught up to the psd and passed it.

I am on the diesel side here and I give it my vote for better all around towing engine, but it is not better than the v10 in every single category. Acceleration is one advantage that the v10 has and that is because being able to turn more rpms allows it to run 2 gears lower and put more tq to the ground.

 

I know that addiction, I had a '73 Camaro that ran 9.2. In fact if he wants to mod his truck and make it fast, that's fine. I have no say in how he spends his money and no reason to judge him for that.

But to come here and say the V10 is a piece of junk and has no purpose in a SD just because it is not as fast as his 7.3 is a different thing all together. He then takes it further in saying the stock V10 blows up all the time, and stock PSD are bullet proof...

 

We had a '96 7.3L here at work that we used for towing a mini excavator around. At 190K miles-it ate 2 pistons. We put a reman unit in it, and it was on it's last leg we we got rid of it with 315K miles on the truck. Went though about a dozen cam position sensors and 2 turbos in that timeframe. This truck was stone stock, and was maintained on a regular schedule with the proper fluids and filter changes.
That truck was replaced with an '06 6.8L, and it has not been in the shop for a single thing in 50K miles or towing more load than the 7.3L had to since we upgraded to a larger excavator(the same one I pulled in the video I linked above).
You want timeslips....
Here's stock times from a shootout-diesel, gas, Ford, Dodge, Chevy:
PickupTruck.Com - Part 3: 2007 PickupTruck.com Heavy Duty Shootout
JL

 

that's because I would like to have a diesel I just think that $7k for the PSD will do more good in my 401k than in my driveway.

 

I had a '73 Camaro that ran 9.2.-7.3l's are getting close, there is a few that will run 10's

nice car you had, too

 

While this maybe true, the PSD comes with a 3.55 gear set normally (note you can't even get the 3.73 gear set in MY 2010). This gear set will allow the PSD to stay in the lower gears longer and make use of that massive lump of torque it makes.

 

Thanks... back in the day Thing is that car had more to go, I just didn't have any more money to spend

 

Since I am defending the v10 on this one topic, I will clarify myself again. I have never said the v10 is a better towing engine than a psd. I have never claimed better mpg's or durability for it either. I am simply saying that in a shootout, the psd will jerk the v10 off the line like nobodies business, but by the time the v10 hits 2nd gear it is going to catch it and pass it. The same thing applies if both hit a hill doing 55-60 mph. The psd will pull it EASIER, but if both downshift and floor it to race up the hill, the psd can only downshift so far before it runs out of rpm's. The v10 will be 2 gears lower and putting more tq to the ground.

Each engine has advantages and both are good engines. But claiming that the psd is better in every single category is no different than what jac08f250 is accusing Bill of doing(so that means psd guys are just as bad as LS1 guys too).

 

At least they are still better than the Cummins guys.

 

Agreed!!!!