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Gas vs PSD
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There's 7 different diesel forums for 7 different diesel engines. On the surface, it appears that Ford is still trying to get it right but hasn't succeeded yet. If they got it right, they wouldn't keep on switching to a "new" diesel engine. Maybe someday, a Cummins diesel will be a factory option.
On the other hand, there's only one V10 engine forum and the only problem Ford has with this engine is that the dealers complain that their service departments can't make any money on it because it doesn't break down enough.
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Which diesel would compete against the V10?
There's 7 different diesel forums for 7 different diesel engines. On the surface, it appears that Ford is still trying to get it right but hasn't succeeded yet. If they got it right, they wouldn't keep on switching to a "new" diesel engine. Maybe someday, a Cummins diesel will be a factory option.
On the other hand, there's only one V10 engine forum and the only problem Ford has with this engine is that the dealers complain that their service departments can't make any money on it because it doesn't break down enough.
There's 7 different diesel forums for 7 different diesel engines. On the surface, it appears that Ford is still trying to get it right but hasn't succeeded yet. If they got it right, they wouldn't keep on switching to a "new" diesel engine. Maybe someday, a Cummins diesel will be a factory option.
On the other hand, there's only one V10 engine forum and the only problem Ford has with this engine is that the dealers complain that their service departments can't make any money on it because it doesn't break down enough.
Do what Bill said you could have classes set up for each era of Diesel to V-10. Then you could set up Modified and Unlimited classes.
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Sounds fun, We would need allot of trucks to make that work.
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I'm willing to do it again.
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Which diesel would compete against the V10?
There's 7 different diesel forums for 7 different diesel engines. On the surface, it appears that Ford is still trying to get it right but hasn't succeeded yet. If they got it right, they wouldn't keep on switching to a "new" diesel engine. Maybe someday, a Cummins diesel will be a factory option.
On the other hand, there's only one V10 engine forum and the only problem Ford has with this engine is that the dealers complain that their service departments can't make any money on it because it doesn't break down enough.
There's 7 different diesel forums for 7 different diesel engines. On the surface, it appears that Ford is still trying to get it right but hasn't succeeded yet. If they got it right, they wouldn't keep on switching to a "new" diesel engine. Maybe someday, a Cummins diesel will be a factory option.
On the other hand, there's only one V10 engine forum and the only problem Ford has with this engine is that the dealers complain that their service departments can't make any money on it because it doesn't break down enough.
And I'm not afraid to compete against any "generation" of the V10. The only difference will be how much I lose by...
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How about having a class for anything vs busted 6.0 diesels. The winner is the one who can drag them the longest distance while the busted 6.0 is in gear with the parking brake on, kind of like a tractor pull. And, there could be a special class or competition for the 6.0 diesels that showed up working but mysteriously stopped working after they arrived. Maybe if anyone gives the owner $5, they're allowed to watch the owner beat their own truck with a bat. The winner is the one who "modifies" their busted 6.0 the most.
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I'm guessing the reprimands weren't aimed at me. Anyway, the reason Ford has changed their diesel engine design is because they have to compete with other automakers and they must meet regulations. Ford is attempting to better the product and increase customer appeal when they change engines. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But seldom will technology stay the same and not evolve.
For V10 guys who say that their trucks will out pull a powerstroke - here is a basic definition of hp/torque
Horsepower is responsible for moving the vehicle along and gives it the ability to cruise on the highway and accelerate in normal conditions.
Torque is the force that helps the vehicle start moving from a stop and pulls it up steep hills. Torque steps in again to provide power when you're hauling items or towing something behind the vehicle.
Higher torque ratings are more important than high horsepower ratings if you pull a trailer, haul heavy loads or drive on roads with long, steep grades.
7.3= 525 lb-ft @ 1,600 RPM
6.0= 570 lb-ft @ 2,000 RPM
6.4= 650 lb-ft @ 2,000 RPM
V10= 457 lb-ft @ 5000 RPM
Guess the V10 ends up on the short end of the stick.
For V10 guys who say that their trucks will out pull a powerstroke - here is a basic definition of hp/torque
Horsepower is responsible for moving the vehicle along and gives it the ability to cruise on the highway and accelerate in normal conditions.
Torque is the force that helps the vehicle start moving from a stop and pulls it up steep hills. Torque steps in again to provide power when you're hauling items or towing something behind the vehicle.
Higher torque ratings are more important than high horsepower ratings if you pull a trailer, haul heavy loads or drive on roads with long, steep grades.
7.3= 525 lb-ft @ 1,600 RPM
6.0= 570 lb-ft @ 2,000 RPM
6.4= 650 lb-ft @ 2,000 RPM
V10= 457 lb-ft @ 5000 RPM
Guess the V10 ends up on the short end of the stick.
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Just keep saying it, it might make it true.
7.3 250 HP
6 speed 7.3 275 HP
6.0 325 HP
6.4 350 HP
3V V10 362 HP.
The V10 will out pull the Power Stroke with more HP, and it can run a gear lower than the PSD which lets it get more TQ and HP to the road.
BTW, it makes 457 lb-ft @ 4250.
If I made it at 5000 it would make a little over 400 HP if my math is right.
7.3 250 HP
6 speed 7.3 275 HP
6.0 325 HP
6.4 350 HP
3V V10 362 HP.
The V10 will out pull the Power Stroke with more HP, and it can run a gear lower than the PSD which lets it get more TQ and HP to the road.
BTW, it makes 457 lb-ft @ 4250.
If I made it at 5000 it would make a little over 400 HP if my math is right.
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No, you deliberately shortened it. You cut off the significant part. Perhaps you can't see that. You made your signature well after I finished doing any editing to it. An administrator or moderator could confirm that too based on editing logs. Really speaks well of your character, that's for sure.
that says alot about your character, thats for sure.
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I once did a huge work up on the 7.3, 6.0 and V10, and that was only the 2-valve with 425ft/lbs@3250RPM (which puts out 80% of it's peak torque at 1000RPM). That 3-valver's 457 ft/lbs you quote above is NOT at 5000RPM, but more like 3250 like the 2-valve.
Using the 4R100 tranny, it was easy to see the v10 putting down more torque-to-the-ground at certain speeds (like 60MPH) because it could hold a lower gear for longer because of it's higher RPM range.
It's really a toss-up between the two types of engine.