I've already invited any of you gassers to meet me at the base of Vail Pass, and I'll video your V10 vs my PSD. I'll just have to figure out a way to clip my camera to my rear-view mirror to video you. Or on the rear bumper.

 

Wrong. If the engine "doesn't spin up fast enough" how is the turbo going to force in more air? the turbo needs the exhaust gas to spin up the impeller. Mine uses a wastegate and if I'm not needing the boost to pull a ****-ton of weight, it dumps it off, at the same RPM, and same pedal position. You DON'T know how a turbo works; at least on the newer vehicles. My vehicle WILL produce more boost at the same RPM if needed, and others have said the same thing on here.

 

Come on!!! That's part of the fun

 

Read the link I posted dealing with hp/torque. I don't NEED the full 350hp at the start because of the amount of torque I produce. That 350hp comes into play when I'm doing 55mph+. HP is all a gasser has (ok, 400lb/ft of torque, which is close to what the new Mustang has) but they have to have the hp or they can't KEEP the load moving. that's why they run in the higher RPM's while doing so. It's like the article says...You can have all the hp in the world, but without torque, you're not going to get the load moving in the first place. It also says because the diesel moves loads with such ease at a lower RPM, it's much easier on the engine and makes it last longer...another point of contention on here.

Hey, at least the gassers can say "I make as much torque as a new Mustang does"...lol

 

457 lb-ft for the 3V V10, 80% of which is available at 1500 RPM. The Mustang wishes it could do that.

Engine torque versus engine HP is a pointless debate because the truck will convert the power to what ever is needed through the transmission and rear end gearing. If you're taking off with a stupid heavy load with a gasser, the RPM's will build in 1st gear building engine Hp which will go through the tranny and a tall rear end to be converted to torque for the tires.

A diesel has plenty of torque, so it works the other way around. It uses a shorter rear end to produce more HP at higher speeds when it needs it.

This is why it is pointless to debate these engines with the same rear ends, they have different needs from their rear ends. And while I could go many places with that statement, I'll leave it alone lol

 

?? The PSD's have a taller read end than the gassers. 3.31 or 3.55 for the 09's and 10's...

 

LMAO... it's to early in the morning. I confused the numbers with the actual gears. By taller I ment bigger number.

So my post should have been gassers need smaller rear ends to convert the high RPM HP into torque at low speeds and diesels need bigger rear ends to convert the low RPM torque into HP at higher speeds.

Good catch lol

 

The V10 is bought by people who tow all day everyday too. There is a huge movement to V10's in the tow truck industry, because we are all tired of the 6.0 and 6.4 problems. Taking your new diesel to the dealer 6-8 times a year is not very productive. I bought my used 03 F450 V10 with 123K on it because it was very cheap. 3 years old for $20,000. It was so reliable, that I decided to trade my 05 f450 6.0 for a new V10. That was not to save money, it was to have a truck than can work all day everyday. It uses more fuel in the City than my 6.0, but highway mileage is close to the same. My 03 V10 gets better mileage than the 09 V10. In fact, my 03 gets the same highway mileage as my 2000 7.3 got with the same gears, and better than my 6.0 got on the highway. City is mpg is worse, way to much stop & go and bumper to bumper in Chicago. I'd rather spend a little more on fuel, and not have my truck in the dealer constantly. The $100 deductibles I save makes up for most of that! Cheaper maintenance makes up for the rest. My local Ford dealer only has 1 diesel mechanic, and about 15 gas mechanics. Diesels are always a week wait or more, My friend the service writer told me if I have a problem with my V10 they can usually look it it the same day. I asked him why they don't get another diesel mechanic? He told me they don't want anymore diesel work, that it's mostly lower paying warranty work anyway! I enjoyed driving diesels, I just hated them being in the shop. I trusted my 5 year old V10 more than my 2 year old diesel on the long trips. V10's just make more sense in my industry right now. I could care less about MPG or max torque, I just need the job done.

 

I wouldn't argue that the V10 can't tow. I'm just saying the V10 can't tow as easily as the PSD. I'm not getting into reliability, because everyone will start saying their uncle's father's aunt's brother-in-law had a 6.0 with 400000000 miles and no problems, all of which means nothing to me. Fact is they were less reliable than the V10.

This was pretty much my philosophy when I bought my truck. As long as it has the power to do what I need it to, that is all the power I need. Sure I can get more with the PSD, but do I need it? Nope.

 

This is EXACTLY why I did not buy a diesel when I purchased my truck. I tried to like the 6.0L, I REALLY did. I DO like the turbocharger and empty fuel economy. I DO NOT, however, like the horrid experience I have seen far too many friends go through with that engine. If the new 6.7L proves itself to be reliable and trouble free-I might own one in the future. BUT, it's gonna have to prove itself first-something the V10's all have done. I know for a fact that I can jump in either of my V10 powered vehicles with 9000+lbs of trailer in tow and travel wherever I want in this country and get there and back without an obscenely expensive repair on the road away from home. With a 6.0L, that's not certain-past experience has proven that. The 6.4L in my experience gets the SAME fuel economy as both of my V10 vehicles. This isn't just one truck I'm talking about-it's DOZENS of 6.4L trucks owned by co-workers and friends that have varied in model year ('08-'10), and various trim levels-XL, XLT, Larit, etc. I also refuse to own a vehicle that cannot have a major repair done without cab removal. I don't write checks-I work on my own vehicles,and this is unacceptable. The claims that "there's a cab-on repair procedure for everything" is a BS copout by those check writers that need to justify their purchase by parroting the service writers. Ford doesn't do anything in-cab, and for a good reason-you cannot do a proper repair without good access to the engine. Working blind is a recipe for a repeat repairs.
JL

 

Actually, it's more like my wife's cousin's, best friends, uncle who bought a dog from some random guy on the street heard about someone who knew someone who had a diesel that was nothing but problems. The 08's had some problems, but I don't see many 09's or 10's with drama. I read more about issues with the V10 (yes, it spans several years) than the 09's and 10's as a matter of fact. The 08's had radiator issues, which all traced back to the degas bottle...also had some EGR cooler issues, which also went back to the bottle. Show me a systemic problem with the 09, 6.4. You can't. I can't show you one with the V10 either.

Diesel, FTW!

 

Oh yeah, and if the PSD's are made at a ratio of 7:1 (Krewat claimed it, not me) to the V10, then why do the V10 threads have so many issues?

 

lol, I like the dog, that's a good touch.

Yes, I have seen people that have had fine PSD's of all makes and years and people with problems from all makes and years; same for the V10.

I'm just saying the probability of walking on to a lot, and finding a new V10 that will operate for 100k miles without a problem is better than finding a new 6.4 PSD that will operate without a problem for 100k miles. They both exist, it's just a matter of which will be easier to find; both of which will be very hard to find soon since these engines aren't being put in pickups any more... making this whole thing a rather moot point.

 

I think the odds are very good unless someone buys a diesel to drive to the local grocery store...2 blocks away...4 times a week. If it's highway miles like mine, (I'm looking at 100k in 4-5 years) it'll go a lot further than 100k...Then we can factor in costs as I already have, and it's cheaper in the long run to own the diesel based on MY type of use.

 

This got buried quickly, bringing it back up so Josh and Bill can respond...