Which is perfectly fine, but hunting for other threads to pick on V10 guys is not cool

No matter what, I won't reach the top of the hill with a heavy load as fast as a 6.0 with the same load - which didn't exist in 2001. A 7.3, maybe. Someday, I might actually get a chance to try.

But until YOU have had the chance to try both, don't tell me I can't

 

Than Krewat you are still avoiding the main point. It is not the short time you can get the the top of short hill with your engine that really matters. It is what you can you do on long run. I drove my +- 35,000 lb set on 7 miles of 6% grade with my right foot firmly on the floor at about 100F outside and my temperature gauge never went over 1/2 of the scale. Didn't even turn AC off.
What are the chance you could do it with V10 without catching a fire?

 

jac08, The question is; better how. Most people that have a v-10 wouldn't want a diesel if you gave it to them. I also have a hard time of dealing with the reality that there is different strokes for different folks. This might sound strange to you but if you gave me a brand new diesel engine that you consider the best and tranny to match I wouldn't bother to put them in. I would sell them right away because they would take up needed room in my garage. It's like the people that like stick shift.....I just don't get it.

 

Well I am gonna sum up the whole V10 vs. PSD thing in one post... past that you all can continue to volley back and fourth, but this is how I honestly see it.
I have Mustangs. I have a truck. I have a jet ski.
Reason I have more than one Mustang (other than the fact that I like variety) is because my street Mustangs would not make much of a race car. Likewise, my drag car is not fit for the streets.
I have a jet ski because the Mustangs don't float, and I have a truck because the Mustangs are not suited to tow things like the jet ski or especially the race car trailer. Plus the bed is needed for hauling.
All in all, Powerstrokes and V10s BOTH have a great place in our vehicles, and buying a V10 because you like gassers or buying a PSD because you like diesels is not the right way to look at it. Both fuels have their own benefits, and both engines have their own downfalls. It is important to decide what is best for the consumer on a case by case basis, otherwise one might get stuck with a Powerstroke daily driver and not have a diesel station for a hundred miles of their house, or need the low end pulling grunt of a diesel and be stuck with an overworked V10. There is no one right answer as to which is best, and like I said, both have their pluses and minuses. I love my PSD, and it is a daily driver for me. Would I refuse a good deal on a V10 when looking for another truck? Not at all. I wouldn't validate the "different strokes for different folks" argument, more like different strokes for different situations.

 

Probably the most level headed post in a 100 pages. Reps sent.

 

Who do you know that HAS caught on fire with their gas-powered SD pulling a hill?

That scenario you just described, pulling at max GCWR up a 6% hill for miles, happened to me one day in April of 2009. 2/3rds of the way up the hill the truck caught on fire and did some serious damage to the front of my truck before I could put it out. It was a DIESEL.

Another time we were taking video when it happened:

YouTube - M2U00070.MPG

It was a 7.3L PSD! Fire never broke out but we could clearly smell burning plastic by the time we got to the top of the hill. That was a 15% grade and our combined weight was around 19,000 or so that run. We had to turn around and head back after that one, as none of us trusted the truck to do it again. A V10 truck pulled the hill 4 times in 15 minutes that day with the same weight, with NO problems.

Who's caught on fire with a gas truck?

 

Okay, I will bite. If it is "simple as that," then why does Ford and the other manufacturers reduce the horsepower in chassis cab trucks? I know this has been brought up before...

Fact is, the hp/torque numbers on paper are not realistic, as well all know there is loss to the rear wheels. Does the v10 lose more than the psd? Well the couple dyno sets I have seen, that is true. You say say the 12 hp is all the difference in the world, but I haven't seen one test or one shootout that shows the v10 outpulls the psd.

 

Why would a V10 catch fire? Name one reason why it would. Do you not read when it was said on here that Ford does powertrain testing with the engines held wide open at full load? You do know when they do those tests they include cooling system heat capacity?

As long as the clutch fan on the V10 is still working, there will be no issues.

They reduce the HP to increase reliability and reduce emissions. As they figure a chassis cab truck is going to be pulling more weight more often then the pickups. It is the same reason why the International version of the 6.4 maxes out at 300HP - the reliability of these light (and barely medium duty Diesels) drops off quite quickly at constant full throttle loads. Put it this way, in a school bus a 7.3 is often worn out before 200,000 miles, and many don't make it to 250,000 before needing a complete overhaul.

I haven't been able to find a comparison that compares a V10 and a PSD F-350. I remember there was one way back, but I can't find it now.

 

Seriously?

What does the torque converter, transmission, driveshaft, axle, or wheels care whether or not the power is coming from diesel fuel or gasoline?

You can't take an identical driveline and have it absorb more power simply because the power is coming from a certain engine technology.

 

Yes, a V10 can run under full power with the A/C on in 100+ degree heat all day.
Why would it catch fire?

 

Ok why did you quote me. Where in those quotes did I say V-10 is a bad engine? I think a gas engine in a super duty is worthless. Didn't say the 5.4 v-8 is bad or the v-10. See it's people like you and that JL I start with the cussing and name calling cause all you guys are are a bunch of *******s.

And it will get 3 mpg under a full load. That right there is why I will not own another gas engine truck.

 

See page 428. There is also another shootout that had a f250 drw sb v10 against a f350 drw lb, try pickuptrucks.com. But the psd outpulled the v10 in both instances, so not helping your point.

I am not a mechanic or a truck engineer, but there habe been two tests posted on here that show my point, and ZERO that show y'alls point. "Seriously" when you post stuff as facts, or are so convinced or something, at least have some evidence to support your point, beyond "Seriously" LOL

 

Haha...you have a point.

But I can ask you the same. Do you have any proof other than that diesel power mag? On the same dyno?

 

It's hard to get proof cause anytime I ask a v-10 guy to race me or dyno against me he falls on his knee and says "all hail the king".

 

So is the PSD exponentially better than the gasser ? Is it half as much more of a power source as a gasser ? It must be 25% more engine. It's surely 10% more capable than a V10. The PSD and V10 can both get the same jobs done.
People are splitting hairs to prove they have the better engine. EGO's.
Heads up neither engine is bullet proof.