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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
The V10 came with 3 diffrent power ratings. I have the older, less powerfull models. If I had an 05 I would pull with a 6.0 or 6.4, but I have the older 97-99 and 00-04 heads on mine.

Ohhhh...I didn't realize you have the extra-suck one...Sorry...
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
Ohhhh...I didn't realize you have the extra-suck one...Sorry...
You could say that.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Yes, I would show. I want to meet a PSD owner and have a pull off, but there are not any close enough to me.

The only one has a very modded truck, and that would prove nothing.
Shouldn't you change your sig then. That my V-10 will out pull any psd of my age of truck.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jac08f250
Shouldn't you change your sig then. That my V-10 will out pull any psd of my age of truck.
lol...so true...and even then it's a lie.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Obviously we exaggerate to annoy the other side, but I have never seen a gas powered vehicle, that would allow holding gas pedal on the floor for 20 minutes climbing the hill at 100F without overheating.
I never drove V10
Than why do you continue to talk as if you have?

Originally Posted by Kajtek1
but in my 7.3 the radiator fan comes on pretty loudly and I know that even in the situation above the fan will come on and off.
Driving 20k set on flat I never have the fan coming on at 65mph.
The fan takes few HP, so my goal is always maintain the speed that will keep it off.
My fan comes on pretty loud too - I guess a loud fan means your truck is better than mine?



Originally Posted by jac08f250
Yeah these gassers comes up with all these diagrams and so call facts. But the truth is if you take the exact same setup in a diesel and a v-10 the diesel would kill the v-10. Get a v-10 with 3.73's and see how it does with a diesel with 3.73's. Diesel FTW!!!!!!!
This, coming from another person who have never driven (or at the very least OWNED) a V10.

Originally Posted by phillips91
What you are having a hard time with is understanding what tractive force is as well as what we are arguing.
Never got it, never will. It's all the confusing diagrams and math, darn it.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
lol...so true...and even then it's a lie.
Cause then the psd has to have 3.73's and the v-10 has to have 4.30's. LMAO some of these guys on here are so pathetic.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Than why do you continue to talk as if you have?



My fan comes on pretty loud too - I guess a loud fan means your truck is better than mine?





This, coming from another person who have never driven (or at the very least OWNED) a V10.



Never got it, never will. It's all the confusing diagrams and math, darn it.
Don't need to punish myself again by buying and wasting my money on another super duty with a gas engine. Unlike you guys I learn from my mistakes.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
I think this picture sums up what the V10 guys were saying nicely.



While the Diesel gets the advantage at first, notice how the V10 continues to gain speed while the Diesel has leveled off?
I think that is exactly what I have been trying to say.....

Originally Posted by 2001400ex
I think the amount of time you spend on these is funny. All this theoretical "when my 5.4 is doing this, the psd is doing this, and that is my 1997 psd, which of course is the same as the 6.0 or 6.4. Same transmission even."

Hahaha
It takes all of 5 minutes to do the post and come up with all of the numbers. My math says the diesel will jump out ahead and then once it shifts it will level off the v10 will pass it. Driving my psd and my 5.4 tells me the diesel will jump out ahead but once it shifts my 5.4 will pass it. Then a test done by a magazine shows the same thing. What's funny is even after all of that you still don't believe it.

Originally Posted by highlife460
the last f250 had the fantastic 5.4 and might as well had a donkey to ride
With 460 in your name and saying that you all have a fleet of diesels, I can only assume you drove the 5.4 like you would a diesel or a 460. I was just chatting with another guy that has a 6.0 and a 5.4 the other day and he said his 5.4 had never seen 3,000 rpms because he was afraid he might blow something up. That is the typical attitude from someone that is used to driving a diesel or a big block. They think 3,000 rpms is going to leave parts laying all over the road. Ill be more than happy to drive anyone around that wants to see how one tows when you aren't afraid to get it above idle.

Originally Posted by 2001400ex
I think any rational person realizes that 1) a 700 ft 15% grade is not realistic 2) these are not 2 comparable trucks 3) the v10 needed 4.30 gears to even be close and 4) the psd still beat it to the top of the hill.
A 700' long 15% grade is rather common around here. The road leaving my house is a 900' long 23% grade. If you had been paying attention to our debate up to this point we (v10 side) have all been saying that with 3.73 gearing the psd will walk all over the v10 all day in a shootout and that each one needs gearing that best suits the engine. The psd beat it to the top of the hill time wise, but the v10 was still gaining speed and the psd had pretty much leveled off. Give them another couple hundred feet and the v10 would be there first time wise and at a higher speed.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jac08f250
Don't need to punish myself again by buying and wasting my money on another super duty with a gas engine. Unlike you guys I learn from my mistakes.
I have a conspiracy theory to offer.... I think jac08f250 was given a free sample of "the diesel" and he got addicted to it.

I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he was happy with a lowly 5.4L, much less a V10....

Originally Posted by jac08f250
I love my 08 f-250 4X4 5.4L. It does what I need it to do. And I was impressed when I towed 9500lbs and had another 2000lbs in the bed and it towed it pretty well. Of course I had to give it gas on hills but I was expecting it to struggle but it really didn't. Now once I swap out the gears I bet it would tow and haul that weight again with no sturggle up hills.
from this thread, post number 9:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ml#post8602985

Maybe its time for an intervention
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jac08f250
LMAO some of these guys on here are so pathetic.
This is uncalled for. Do us all a favor, and if you have nothing technical to add to this thread, unsubscribe.

That goes for everyone else here too.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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I agree, I'm on my way to unsub to this, it's gotten waaaay outta hand
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 1975StroppeBaja
I have a conspiracy theory to offer.... I think jac08f250 was given a free sample of "the diesel" and he got addicted to it.

I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he was happy with a lowly 5.4L, much less a V10....



from this thread, post number 9:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ml#post8602985

Maybe its time for an intervention
Yeah and at that time the biggest truck I drove was a s-10. So that truck was a great truck plus when I did that towing I had 500 miles on it. So I didn't know how a real truck pull a load like that until I got my psd. Trust me after driving my truck now and that one that one felt like a real dog and I will never go back to a gas super duty. Plus how pathetic are you looking up old post I made. Loser.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
This is uncalled for. Do us all a favor, and if you have nothing technical to add to this thread, unsubscribe.

That goes for everyone else here too.
What are you talking about no one in here is adding anything technical. I mean people are posting diagrams of two different setup in a truck. Match a psd and a v-10 in the same setup and then post a diagram. I mean you guys are comparing apples to oranges. So if other people are going to post BS so am I.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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In keeping with the technical aspect:

Originally Posted by jac08f250
I love my 08 f-250 4X4 5.4L. It does what I need it to do. And I was impressed when I towed 9500lbs and had another 2000lbs in the bed and it towed it pretty well. Of course I had to give it gas on hills but I was expecting it to struggle but it really didn't. Now once I swap out the gears I bet it would tow and haul that weight again with no sturggle up hills.
Now, just think what would have happened with another 20-25% more torque, with a flatter torque curve.

The 2008 V10 put out 462ft/lbs of torque, with about 80% of it available right off-idle, and even more at the stall speed of the torque converter.

What does the 5.4 put out, 365? That's 26% more torque for the V10.

If you haven't driven one, you really can't say they are worthless
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jac08f250
Plus how pathetic are you looking up old post I made almost a year ago. Loser.
Heh heh... well, at least the words I put in your mouth really were yours.

And, for the record, it was less than 5 months ago you typed that.
 
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