Gas vs PSD
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Just wanted to start the day here on the forum on the right foot.
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Because the PSD guys refuse to acknowledge that V10 can tow just as much as a PSD. All these charts and graphs are necessary because you guys just don't seem to get it. There is even a video comparison where an old 2v V10 beat a 7.3 and held its own against a 6.0! You guys even refuse to acknowledge that as well!
Yes,they are comparable in capability.
The ONLY advantage the diesel has in the fuel economy savings, and for the case of the 6.4L-99% of them DO NOT get the fuel mileage that these guys are claiming, and the diesel fuel costs offset the fuel economy difference for the large majority of people.
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You have not particularly bashed me, and I'm fine with your comments. Others have, and that doesn't even bother me that much. It's just that it has turned into a complete bash fest. I may check in once in a while to see if it is more factual or not and may join in then.
But the reality is that different engines fit different applications. So the concept of comparing the engines in same circumstances is silly.
Look at my case (low miles and occasional towing), a V10 fits me just fine. For someone who drives all the time and/or is towing all the time, the PSD makes more sense. Yet everyone wants to compare them under the same conditions, then the conditions they set forth favor their engine. So then we all end up defending our engine over and over again.
Then just as soon as the dust settles, someone new comes in and shakes the dust up and the same battles peruses until everyone realizes each engine has it's own application, again.
Like I said before, each engine has it's purpose, and it's an American truck, so just
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But the reality is that different engines fit different applications. So the concept of comparing the engines in same circumstances is silly.
Look at my case (low miles and occasional towing), a V10 fits me just fine. For someone who drives all the time and/or is towing all the time, the PSD makes more sense. Yet everyone wants to compare them under the same conditions, then the conditions they set forth favor their engine. So then we all end up defending our engine over and over again.
Then just as soon as the dust settles, someone new comes in and shakes the dust up and the same battles peruses until everyone realizes each engine has it's own application, again.
Like I said before, each engine has it's purpose, and it's an American truck, so just
and Exactly. Maybe in the guidelines they should also put no language can be use if it not rated G. And to the people who say we are bashing to justified our purchase. You couldn't be more wrong. I know I got a real truck and I know it can do some real hualing and towing and still get decent mpg. I think it's the gasser that has to justified for their purchase cause it's the gasser that has to come up with all this data and diagrams just to prove their trucks as long as they have 4.30 gears can hang with a psd with 3.73's. But then no gasser will put up a diagram or some facts when the v-10 also have 3.73's that it just gets it butt kicks all around.
I'm not justifying anything, I could careless what you think about my truck and it's engine. If you want to make the payments and pay the fuel bills for it, then you can judge it all you want.
This is exactly why I'm done with this thread. People can't get it through their head these are different engines designed for different needs. They always have to compare it to what they have because that's all that is correct. The V10 can do "real" hauling and towing, it may use more fuel, but nobody with a V10 is going to argue that. But worst of all, people don't respect what other have had to work for. It might be fine to show disrespect to other where you comes from, but I always respect what other have had to earn, even if I don't care for it.
I don't need a PSD, and it would not have saved me money. Get over it already.
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From: Melissa TX
Because the PSD guys refuse to acknowledge that V10 can tow just as much as a PSD. All these charts and graphs are necessary because you guys just don't seem to get it. There is even a video comparison where an old 2v V10 beat a 7.3 and held its own against a 6.0! You guys even refuse to acknowledge that as well!
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Because the PSD guys refuse to acknowledge that V10 can tow just as much as a PSD. All these charts and graphs are necessary because you guys just don't seem to get it. There is even a video comparison where an old 2v V10 beat a 7.3 and held its own against a 6.0! You guys even refuse to acknowledge that as well!
I don't think anyone has said the v10 won't pull a load equal to the PSD, we are commenting that the PSD will take it to the top of the hill at lower rpms, quieter, use less fuel, and in almost every circumstance at or closer to the speed limit. That is purely why I bought a PSD.
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From: WV
Exactly. Maybe in the guidelines they should also put no language can be use if it not rated G. And to the people who say we are bashing to justified our purchase. You couldn't be more wrong. I know I got a real truck and I know it can do some real hualing and towing and still get decent mpg. I think it's the gasser that has to justified for their purchase cause it's the gasser that has to come up with all this data and diagrams just to prove their trucks as long as they have 4.30 gears can hang with a psd with 3.73's. But then no gasser will put up a diagram or some facts when the v-10 also have 3.73's that it just gets it butt kicks all around.
I don't think anyone has said the v10 won't pull a load equal to the PSD, we are commenting that the PSD will take it to the top of the hill at lower rpms, quieter, use less fuel, and in almost every circumstance at or closer to the speed limit. That is purely why I bought a PSD.
BTW: My V10 pulls my 12,000 trailer up a 5 mile hill at 5% grade at 75 MPH. Yes it takes more gas, is at higher RPM, and probably makes more noise under those conditions, but again I don't tow often enough for it to bother me.
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But people are posting apples to oranges. Compare a 2010 v-10 with 4.10's and compare a 6.4L with 4.10's and see you can tow better, faster, get better mpg while towing. And I don't care if it can tow the same. The v-10 if setup the same way as the psd will tow it slower, not as well, and get crappy mpg. And I love how you said a old 2v v-10 beat a 7.3. What year was the 7.3? If pre 99 then it only made 215 hp and if 99 and up it only made 235 hp while the v-10 made what 300 hp and 400 something tq. Like I said apples to oranges.
A V10 would still eventually outpull a 6.0 or 6.4 with 3.73 gears (Even though they aren't available with the V10). It would take a little bit longer to hit its sweet spot in the power band, but once it does it will overtake a 7.3, 6.0 and a 6.4
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From: Melissa TX
Jac08 just said I don't have a real truck and can't do real hauling or towing. Most of his comment was directed at me. The way I interpreted it was my truck can't tow. I have no problem with your statement, it's Jac08's insistence that only a PSD is a "real" truck and only a PSD can "really" tow.
BTW: My V10 pulls my 12,000 trailer up a 5 mile hill at 5% grade at 75 MPH. Yes it takes more gas, is at higher RPM, and probably makes more noise under those conditions, but again I don't tow often enough for it to bother me.
BTW: My V10 pulls my 12,000 trailer up a 5 mile hill at 5% grade at 75 MPH. Yes it takes more gas, is at higher RPM, and probably makes more noise under those conditions, but again I don't tow often enough for it to bother me.
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Apples to oranges? They were similar year trucks, one with the PSD option one with the V10 option. But I thought HP didn't matter anyways? After all that 7.3 makes 525 lb-ft, so it must pull way harder then the V10, right?
A V10 would still eventually outpull a 6.0 or 6.4 with 3.73 gears (Even though they aren't available with the V10). It would take a little bit longer to hit its sweet spot in the power band, but once it does it will overtake a 7.3, 6.0 and a 6.4
A V10 would still eventually outpull a 6.0 or 6.4 with 3.73 gears (Even though they aren't available with the V10). It would take a little bit longer to hit its sweet spot in the power band, but once it does it will overtake a 7.3, 6.0 and a 6.4
But I want you to post up those videos you are talking about. The way you describe it is so not the way I remember it. So please refresh my memory.
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From: WV
So are you saying it can tow/haul the same amount as a PSD? Because so far you have mentioned how stupid I was to get a V10, that there is no possible way the V10 could be cheaper, that the V10 needs 4.30 gears to do anything, and essentially that the V10 is worth more as scrap metal than as an engine.
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From: Melissa TX
Apples to oranges? They were similar year trucks, one with the PSD option one with the V10 option. But I thought HP didn't matter anyways? After all that 7.3 makes 525 lb-ft, so it must pull way harder then the V10, right?
A V10 would still eventually outpull a 6.0 or 6.4 with 3.73 gears (Even though they aren't available with the V10). It would take a little bit longer to hit its sweet spot in the power band, but once it does it will overtake a 7.3, 6.0 and a 6.4
A V10 would still eventually outpull a 6.0 or 6.4 with 3.73 gears (Even though they aren't available with the V10). It would take a little bit longer to hit its sweet spot in the power band, but once it does it will overtake a 7.3, 6.0 and a 6.4
I'm sorry you v-10 cause can come up with all these so call facts and data but you will never convince me that a v-10 can hang with a psd.
Here you guys go 50 reason why diesel is better. Diesel Fuel Advantages - Diesel Engine - Diesel Power Magazine
Can you gasser post 50 reason why gas is better?
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From: Melissa TX
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So are you saying it can tow/haul the same amount as a PSD? Because so far you have mentioned how stupid I was to get a V10, that there is no possible way the V10 could be cheaper, that the V10 needs 4.30 gears to do anything, and essentially that the V10 is worth more as scrap metal than as an engine.
So are you saying it can tow/haul the same amount as a PSD? Because so far you have mentioned how stupid I was to get a V10, that there is no possible way the V10 could be cheaper, that the V10 needs 4.30 gears to do anything, and essentially that the V10 is worth more as scrap metal than as an engine.