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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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And his is STOCK...You lose. But how could that possibly be since you make more hp?
With 2000lbs more weight on Tom's truck, I'm certain that the times would have been the same. The fact is that the trucks pull the same load just as effectively and just as fast. A FAR cry from the claims you two are making.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
He was on in incline with 2,000 lbs more than Tom.
I started up that on-ramp at 25-30 mph, so I'm not even counting that.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
He was on in incline with 2,000 lbs more than Tom.
He could have done that same thing with another 2000lbs...Truck would have made more boost to compensate for the weight.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I'm still waiting for Bill to explain how the 6.4 walked away from the V10 on the video, and even had to slow down to take a corner since the V10 makes more hp...Even if it was the older one, the V10 ain't gonna' be making up that lost ground. Or, I'm waiting on Phillips to pull his calculator and explain it all away with numbers...
How many times does it need to be repeated before you get it? That was a PI 310HP V10 with the 4R100 vs. a 350HP 6.4 with the 5R110. Everybody, even the V10 guys know that it won't match that. You're making up your own comparisons that nobody else is. That V10 won't make up the lost ground, it has 40HP less.

Now if it was the newer 362HP 3v V10 with the 5R110, then things would have been much much closer.
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
He could have done that same thing with another 2000lbs...Truck would have made more boost to compensate for the weight.
No, sorry. Doesn't work like that. That truck was already making all the boost it could with a stock tune. Otherwise by your logic, I could get a 1985 Ford Ranger with the 86HP turbo diesel, hook 12,000 lbs up to it and the turbo will make more boost to compensate right?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I'm still waiting for Bill to explain how the 6.4 walked away from the V10 on the video, and even had to slow down to take a corner since the V10 makes more hp...Even if it was the older one, the V10 ain't gonna' be making up that lost ground. Or, I'm waiting on Phillips to pull his calculator and explain it all away with numbers...
The same year truck would have 4.10s rather than 3.73s, the TS rather than the 4R100 and 52 HP more. Yes, it would have pulled right with the 6.4, and after the first hill it would be faster.


Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
He could have done that same thing with another 2000lbs...Truck would have made more boost to compensate for the weight.
Don't think thats how it works....
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
With 2000lbs more weight on Tom's truck, I'm certain that the times would have been the same. The fact is that the trucks pull the same load just as effectively and just as fast. A FAR cry from the claims you two are making.
JL
So you're saying a STOCK 6.4 makes the same power as a MODDED whatever it is you drive? But how can that be when you make more hp right off the bat?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Don't think thats how it works....
Umm, yes it does. the more I push on the gas, the more boost my truck makes.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:32 PM
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Diesel, FTW!!!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
Umm, yes it does. the more I push on the gas, the more boost my truck makes.
Do you not even remember what you said? You said the more weight, the more boost. Boost is proportional to throttle and engine RPM, not the weight you're pulling.
He could have done that same thing with another 2000lbs...Truck would have made more boost to compensate for the weight.
The only way that that could be true is if he didn't have the pedal to the floor in that video.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Yea, if your going to tune it to pull the hill faster than stock than the 7.3 has to be allowed to do the same thing...
You mean by allowing it to rev out to the upper 4000RPM range without any other engine tuning? But that puts it past it's redline, by what, 800RPM?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
Umm, yes it does. the more I push on the gas, the more boost my truck makes.
Tom was already at WOT, so how would he make more boost with more weight?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
the more I push on the gas
This is the funniest thing coming from a diesel guy I've ever read. And points more to the fact that this is NOT "dear old Dad".

Most of the diesel people I know, know better than to say "gas pedal".

I always use the term "go pedal" even when talking about gassers.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
You mean by allowing it to rev out to the upper 4000RPM range without any other engine tuning? But that puts it past it's redline, by what, 800RPM?
It would let it rev out and at least try to upshift, but I don't think it could hold a higher gear.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:42 PM
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I figured it out guys...
You just can't fix stupid.
No matter how many facts and how much data is presented,they just choose to be stupid.
First my "Gasser tune" can't make any more power according to him, then, he's acting as if my tune make it some HUGE advantage over a 6.4L truck. Which is it? Whatever's convenient to be a ***** at the time?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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Just to toss this out there, a turbocharger operates off of engine speed, not necessarily pedal distance or towing needs. The turbocharger spins off of the exhaust gasses exiting the engine, true that the harder you press the pedal the more a turbo will generate boost since the RPMs will increase, but it is a direct relationship to the amount of exhaust the truck puts out which is in turn in direct relation to the RPMs of the truck. You can generate more boost by flowing more air VIA less restrictive exhaust and intake, head work, etc., or by changing the setting on the bypass valve to adjust when the excess boost is blown off (aftermarket turbos, stock PSDs don't have these valves), but in the end the compressor is only able to produce it's max air flow pressure. Ultimately, the boost levels are directly associated to the engine speed, and therefore is limited to the flow of the compressor and the speed of the engine. Just my $.02.
 
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